Cold rage

Are you politicising the murder?
What did the police do in this case, do you know?
Similar, though, reading that.
Another one with a parent thay covers for him.
Disgraceful animal!

No, I'm not politicising the murder. I'm questioning why some of the richest and most powerful people in the world haven't posted about it on social media. Vance didn't concentrate on the mistake by the police in the Norwak case, but on immigration. If the main concern were police failure, the first thing to do would be to leave the police to do its job re an internal enquiry.

It’s horrible, they are not publishing anything about white, home grown villains it makes me so angry, disappointed, and upset
It is so unfair the press runs us, and so many believe every word

I don’t think it’s politicising to compare the cases. In one, a white man was killed by a Sikh, and there are riots and questions in parliament. In another a Saudi man is killed by a white man, and there is no outcry. Both victims were young students starting out in life, and both aggressors were dangerous thugs.

The nature of the police involvement in the Henry Nowak case was an added factor, but the end result was that two families have lost a son who should have had a bright future. Isn’t it necessary to ask why one case has had calls for ‘cold, hard rage’ and the other not? Particularly when those calls are coming from a man who is positioning himself as our next PM.

A number of deaths particularly when the police are involved receive more political and media attention, George Floyd, Sarah Everard, etc. If those are discussed by a range of politicians, then to be honest I see very little difference.

Is it genuinely a 'range' of politicians?
Or is it politicians with a specific orientation?

Yes, as I said, the nature of the police involvement was an added factor. Of course it was.

But the fact that the cases are similar, and that the calls for ‘cold, hard rage’ were applied to only one is very telling, IMO, and that is the point I am making.

If Farage’s comments were about the police, rather than the murderer and the circumstances of the death (ie the murderer claiming that he was being racially abused) was he inciting people to react with ‘cold hard rage’ towards them? Isn’t inciting violence against the police illegal? It’s certainly not behaviour becoming of a member of parliament.

It was every single party with regard to George Floyd, Ed Davey for example is currently finding that his past comments are coming back to haunt him.

Doodle, Henry, an innocent young man, had his last minutes on this earth being read his rights, that's the difference!
The family of Henry do not want all this.

Going off topic, but why do some Posters have a problem with the Floyd case?

Vance's comments on the murder of Henry Nowak were to stir up division in the UK. He has been accused of interfering in British politics before blaming immigrants for all the ills in this country.
It's time people like Vance and Musk looked at the mess the US is making throughout the world before criticising other countries.
His comments were so disrespectful to the family of Henry Nowak. Using this tragedy to stir up hatred as has Farage. Disgusting people.

Vance is a racist white Christian Nationalist who supports far right politics and I take his comments in that context ie ignore him America has gone mad

Every time a young person is murdered it leaves a family grieving.

The circumstances of Henry Novak’s last seconds on this earth were made worse by the actions of the police attending the scene.

If you are concerned about the response from politicians both here and abroad maybe a swift email to them may get a reply 🤷‍♀️

I wouldn't engage with people with their views. Vance and Farage are beneath contempt.

This is goady subject and should be stopped. Disgusting. Have some thought for that poor family.

I think that Vance's remarks are a classic example of the pot calling the kettle black. The US legal system is and always has been heavily biassed against people of colour. This has led to riots at various times in a host of US cities.

I wish Starmer would respond in a way that puts Vance down and point out that the US is no position to make comments on our legal system, but all he has done is make some mild protest.

If it had been the other way round and Starmer had critices the US legal system Vance et al would have come down on him like a ton of bricks.

nanna8

This is goady subject and should be stopped. Disgusting. Have some thought for that poor family.

Absolutely. The poster has a history of doing this even though most of us recognise it for what it is and ignore it. I think we’ve heard enough about goady posts bearing in mind our much missed Allira.

MissAdventure

Are you politicising the murder?
What did the police do in this case, do you know?
Similar, though, reading that.
Another one with a parent thay covers for him.
Disgraceful animal!

Did you read the link Miss Adventure. It seems like a well written, unbiased report to me. Not something I would always say of our press these days.

This young man was murdered last December, six months ago, why was there no outrage, visits to Downing Street, media attention and so at the time? Why now and not then?!

BlueBelle

It’s horrible, they are not publishing anything about white, home grown villains it makes me so angry, disappointed, and upset
It is so unfair the press runs us, and so many believe every word

👏👏👏👏👏👏

Doodledog

I don’t think it’s politicising to compare the cases. In one, a white man was killed by a Sikh, and there are riots and questions in parliament. In another a Saudi man is killed by a white man, and there is no outcry. Both victims were young students starting out in life, and both aggressors were dangerous thugs.

The nature of the police involvement in the Henry Nowak case was an added factor, but the end result was that two families have lost a son who should have had a bright future. Isn’t it necessary to ask why one case has had calls for ‘cold, hard rage’ and the other not? Particularly when those calls are coming from a man who is positioning himself as our next PM.

I completely agree.

Murder is a terrible thing, loss and grief and heartache are the same whatever colour or race the victim is.

Too many young people die at the hands of terrible people, it’s matters not one jot what colour the perpetrator is, ALL of them should feel the full force of justice.

I do nor find this post (or poster) goady.

It’s a valid point and a valid link.

Too many people on here of late are too quick to criticise the individual posters rather than read the links and consider the very valid points often raised.

Sadly, many tragic events are politicised, it’s very unfortunate, but I feel it’s a downside of our modern political system.

MissAdventure

Are you politicising the murder?
What did the police do in this case, do you know?
Similar, though, reading that.
Another one with a parent thay covers for him.
Disgraceful animal!

I simply cannot understand these misguided awful mothers.

I cannot think how I’d feel if this was my child, but attempting to cover up murder in this way is beyond my understanding!

Perhaps there was little publicity about this murder because the police weren't involved. I don't remember anything being reported about Henry Nowak's murder when it happened. Sadly, it's clear that the court case is being used for political reasons. I don't find the OP goady, it is relevant to what is in the news ATM and adds a perspective.

I don’t find this post (to use the current word) ‘goady ’. The same as I don’t find the response from some posters decrying it as ‘goady’…….