Cold rage

M0nica

The police never even checked he was injured, although a claim of injury is meant to be immediately checked. Not left until the injured person has been handcuffed and charged and is on the point of death.

I suspect that the stabs were life-ending and that no matter what the police had done, Henry Nowak would have died. But that is not the point.

No, it's not the point. I agree. The question which needs to be asked is why Henry was handcuffed. Nobody actually knows that the police were blinded by the accusations of racism or whether it was something else.

The baby P death was horrific, and all the moreso because those we'd expect to intervene, help, and take charge didn't.
Of course these things invite criticism.
Rightly so.

Exactly Monica.

The police never even checked he was injured, although a claim of injury is meant to be immediately checked. Not left until the injured person has been handcuffed and charged and is on the point of death.

I suspect that the stabs were life-ending and that no matter what the police had done, Henry Nowak would have died. But that is not the point.

I'd rather wait until there's more information about what motivated the police officers in the Henry Norwak case to act as they did. Until then, all we're doing is accepting the supposition that the officers were blinded by the accusations of racism. Even if Henry had made a racist attack, the police failed to notice that he had been injured. I assume nobody on GN was actually there at the time, so I'd like to know just how they overlooked his injuries and why they thought he was on the ground. A question remains about how they police are trained to respond in such circumstances and whether protocols were followed. If not, why not?

mum2three

George Floyd was a criminal and was in police custody. Henry Nowak was a victim but treated like a criminal. There is the difference.

George Floyd was not a habitual criminal. As a young man he had been convicted and imprisoned for the crimes he committed, but after his release in 2013 he went straight and reformed. He was active in his church community and had committed no crimes since his release from prison. He died in 2020 after 7 years of exemplary behaviour.

He was living in another part of the USA from where he had committed his crimes, so it was unlikely that the Mineapolis police had any knowledge of him at all. He was being followed and arrested by the police because a shop assistant reported him as having bought some goods with a forged bank note. The police did not know whether he was aware the bank note was forged, Given his behaviour after he came out prison, he may well not have.

Lets face it can anyone on GN say with absolute confidence that if they were given a forged banknote, no matter how good it was, they would always recognise it? I was given a forged £1, a very poor one, about a month ago I did not notice and tried to use it to pay for goods, but the shop assistant recognised it as forged, and so did I when I actually looked at it.

On the basis of being suspected of passing a forged bank note. He was chased by the police and deliberately murdered y them. There was a trial and one of the police was convicted and is now serving a prison sentence.

Henry Nowak had no criminal history and was murdered by the man who has now been convicted. But both crimes were motivated by institutional racism in the USA and UK.

George Flood died because of the prejudice against people of colour that runs through out the police and justice system in the USA and because police forces in the US are far more brutal and so much more racist when faced with people of colour.

Henry Nowak died because of the racism in this country and the belief, again institutionalised, that there is no worse crime than saying something racist. Once his assailant said he had shouted racial insults Henry Nowaks fate was sealed.

The police took no notice of any thing he said. They immediately decided without investigation that, as his assailant was not white English, anything he said should be accepted as true and the white man on the floor's claims of being stabbed could be ignored.

The two cases seem remarkably similar to me.

George Floyd was a criminal and was in police custody. Henry Nowak was a victim but treated like a criminal. There is the difference.

Good post @ 13.33, LemonJam.

Yes it is obviously racist to ask questions about the death of the son of an immigrant.

LizzieDrip

Thanks LemonJam, what a tragic case … but, of course a white mother killing her white baby doesn’t fit the racist, 2 tier narrative currently being promoted.

Sadly, it would appear that, for some, skin colour / ethnicity make a difference when it comes to murder.

Sadly I agree Lizziedrop.

I could easily have named other cases, you see it frequently with missing children for example, some children receive an enormous amount of political and media attention and other don't. It is a common phenomena.

Thanks LemonJam, what a tragic case … but, of course a white mother killing her white baby doesn’t fit the racist, 2 tier narrative currently being promoted.

Sadly, it would appear that, for some, skin colour / ethnicity make a difference when it comes to murder.

Because LemonJam you can’t compare apples with pears.

Well here's another murder ( white mother) with some policing questions but no outrage or questions in parliament:

A mother who poisoned her one-year-old son with a lethal cocktail of prescription medications added to milk in a baby bottle was jailed for life for his murder this week.

Emma Barnett, 36, killed her son Oakley before he could be taken into care after a family court hearing ordered that he be removed from her care. Barnett was due to face a court hearing about her son’s removal from her care but did not attend and after the meeting the police and social workers sought to find her. Police attended her address late evening and heard the sound of a baby crying coming from the loft. Unbeknownst to the police Barnett had added the antihistamine promethazine, which can induce sedation, and the antidepressant mirtazapine to juice and milk in Oakley’s baby bottles.

The police could hear the toddler crying, was fully aware a court had ordered the toddler to be removed from mother’s unsafe care, yet prioritised attempts to talk Barnett down. Then at 12.16am “the situation changed dramatically – in answer to a question from a police officer, Barnett said ‘I killed him'.

The judge said officers then “immediately forced entry” into her house and found Oakley unresponsive and that Barnett had tried to take her own life. However Oakley was alive and crying on their arrival- at what stage did the police notice the crying had stopped? If they had forced entry earlier could Oakley's death have been prevented? Oakley, who was 14 months old, died in hospital on 31 December 2024.

The judge, sentencing Barnett to life in prison with a minimum term of 22 years on Friday, said: This was the killing of a very young and vulnerable child wholly dependent on you brought about by your deliberate actions Just as Henry’s death was brought about by Digwa’s deliberate actions

No social media posts from Vance, Farage, Musk, TR et al about Oakley’s death or 2 tier policing. Of course this case does not have any immigrant slant- other factors have commonality but perhaps the lack of immigrant slant means there is 2 tier interest in murders and associated policing to many? No posts on Gransnet. No questions asked in parliament about the policing in this case- ie why did the police not turn up to the mother’s house until very late at night? Why did they not force entry to remove the child immediately on arrival as they heard the toddler crying? There has been no release of body cam footage as a result of public outrage showing that the police did not secure the safety of Oakley before he became he became none responsive. No allegations of 2 tier policing as a result of the mother being white and the baby white- ie did the police officers put the mother’s mental health welfare first before securing the safety of the crying baby because she was white? Who was the victim- the mother or the toddler and who did the police prioritise? Would they have forced immediate entry if the mother was not white? Did the police contribute to the baby’s death by not forcing entry sooner? Do we trust the forensic pathology report presented to the court? The quality of the forensic pathology report presented at Digwa’s trial has been questioned by a posters on Gransnet after all.

I stress I am not criticising the police who arrived at Barnett's house. We were no present and do not know all the facts. We do not know the outcome of the safeguarding investigation. I am however comparing the murders and wonder why this case triggers no similar questions.

Trump is the master of this- and look at the severe increase in civil unrest and sustained undermining of public institutions and the justice system since he began his second term- abetted by Musk.

Farage is Trump's disciple and apprentice.

correction-*tier 1* not her 2

It is a huge issue and risk to democratic value I agree twaddle.

There are those on various posts regarding Henry's murder Farage's HoC diatribe and calling the nation to cold pure anger that have said I agree with Farage, he is speaking for the nation and I have not rioted in Southampton I feel somewhat miss the point.

Farage is not calling, Musk is not amplifying, TR is not rallying those who are rational and in her 2 on the structural news media divide as set out above.

They are dog whistling to tier 2 to garner their votes in order reward themselves financially and with power and attention. It is hugely damaging to our society as Southampton and Henry's family is currently experiencing.

Thank you for bothering to follow up, LemonJam, and for posting that.

The issue of "two tier reporting" (or whatever it should be called) really concerns me, for the reasons you state in your post.

People obviously can't be forced to engage in current affairs, but it is frightening that in a democracy, people all have a vote, which can so easily be manipulated. It's a huge issue, which affects every one of us.

twadle, thanks for the explanation.

Being eligible for parole isn’t a guarantee the offender will get it. If they do, they are subject to licence for life and can be recalled to prison

eazybee

Several factors brought the case of Henry Nowak into prominence; the false account of the murder by the murderer and his family which hastened the victim's death, the fact that he was allowed to carry a bladed instrument legally because of his faith, and the poor response of the police.
I do not recall accounts of Henry Nowak's death if December 2025 although I am sure it was reported , as was the death of Algasim.

If you had been a follower of X (Twitter) posts, you would possibly have seen Henry Norwak's name many months ago. The case couldn't be reported in the UK because it was subjudice, but Elon Musk could post about it outside the UK.

As ever, what happened was that the case was announced and the the algorithms ensured that it was picked up by people who retweeted it. There were two themes: criticising the police (so-called two-tier policing) and blaming immigration, even though Digwa was born in the UK and is British. Musk couldn't care less about Norwak nor his family, but the case fitted the requirements to promote his causes. The Algasim case doesn't.

After Digwa was convicted and sentenced, the UK press was free to report what it wanted. The fact that it was subjudice is probably why you do not recall accounts from December 2025.

And I agree with LemonJam.

Fair point Sarnia about the sentencing.

OP suggestion there may be two tier media reporting is an interesting concept- so googled it:

Apparently there are 2 distinct issues:
1) the Structural News Media Divide (Accessibility and Reach), i.e. there are tiers of the growing gap in news engaged citizens-
tier 1 - news enthusiasts who have access to and consume high quality, fact checked journalism
tier2- the disengaged who rely on whatever unvetted logarithms feed them on social media or largely tune out news altogether leading to echo chambers or localised news deserts.

The House of Lords, Communications and Digital Committee warned this digital fracture threatens shared democratic values.

2) Allegations of Bias ( Ideological and Political. Two tier is also a politically charged term used to accuse the media or state institutions like the police that treat. certain communities more leniently than others, specifically alleging bias along political, racial or class lines. This creates controversy and polarisation. Some commentators and politicians argue that these double standards are systemic.

The relationship between Trump,Vance, Musk as social media giant, Farage and Tommy Robinson and their chosen preferred media outlets for amplification. and trigger is intentional and powerful

The aims and motivations are in plain sight.

Jaberwok

This young man was murdered last December, six months ago, why was there no outrage, visits to Downing Street, media attention and so at the time? Why now and not then?!

Because at the time the details were not known - that the killer had accused the victim of racial abuse, nor had the videos showing the shocking way the police responded in their treatment of the victim after this accusation.

All this only came out at the trial and the riots etc followed promptly after the end of the triaal and the release of the police video.