Cold rage

LizzieDrip

Thanks LemonJam, what a tragic case … but, of course a white mother killing her white baby doesn’t fit the racist, 2 tier narrative currently being promoted.

Sadly, it would appear that, for some, skin colour / ethnicity make a difference when it comes to murder.

Sadly I agree Lizziedrop.

Yes it is obviously racist to ask questions about the death of the son of an immigrant.

Good post @ 13.33, LemonJam.

George Floyd was a criminal and was in police custody. Henry Nowak was a victim but treated like a criminal. There is the difference.

mum2three

George Floyd was a criminal and was in police custody. Henry Nowak was a victim but treated like a criminal. There is the difference.

George Floyd was not a habitual criminal. As a young man he had been convicted and imprisoned for the crimes he committed, but after his release in 2013 he went straight and reformed. He was active in his church community and had committed no crimes since his release from prison. He died in 2020 after 7 years of exemplary behaviour.

He was living in another part of the USA from where he had committed his crimes, so it was unlikely that the Mineapolis police had any knowledge of him at all. He was being followed and arrested by the police because a shop assistant reported him as having bought some goods with a forged bank note. The police did not know whether he was aware the bank note was forged, Given his behaviour after he came out prison, he may well not have.

Lets face it can anyone on GN say with absolute confidence that if they were given a forged banknote, no matter how good it was, they would always recognise it? I was given a forged £1, a very poor one, about a month ago I did not notice and tried to use it to pay for goods, but the shop assistant recognised it as forged, and so did I when I actually looked at it.

On the basis of being suspected of passing a forged bank note. He was chased by the police and deliberately murdered y them. There was a trial and one of the police was convicted and is now serving a prison sentence.

Henry Nowak had no criminal history and was murdered by the man who has now been convicted. But both crimes were motivated by institutional racism in the USA and UK.

George Flood died because of the prejudice against people of colour that runs through out the police and justice system in the USA and because police forces in the US are far more brutal and so much more racist when faced with people of colour.

Henry Nowak died because of the racism in this country and the belief, again institutionalised, that there is no worse crime than saying something racist. Once his assailant said he had shouted racial insults Henry Nowaks fate was sealed.

The police took no notice of any thing he said. They immediately decided without investigation that, as his assailant was not white English, anything he said should be accepted as true and the white man on the floor's claims of being stabbed could be ignored.

The two cases seem remarkably similar to me.

I'd rather wait until there's more information about what motivated the police officers in the Henry Norwak case to act as they did. Until then, all we're doing is accepting the supposition that the officers were blinded by the accusations of racism. Even if Henry had made a racist attack, the police failed to notice that he had been injured. I assume nobody on GN was actually there at the time, so I'd like to know just how they overlooked his injuries and why they thought he was on the ground. A question remains about how they police are trained to respond in such circumstances and whether protocols were followed. If not, why not?

The police never even checked he was injured, although a claim of injury is meant to be immediately checked. Not left until the injured person has been handcuffed and charged and is on the point of death.

I suspect that the stabs were life-ending and that no matter what the police had done, Henry Nowak would have died. But that is not the point.

Exactly Monica.

The baby P death was horrific, and all the moreso because those we'd expect to intervene, help, and take charge didn't.
Of course these things invite criticism.
Rightly so.

M0nica

The police never even checked he was injured, although a claim of injury is meant to be immediately checked. Not left until the injured person has been handcuffed and charged and is on the point of death.

I suspect that the stabs were life-ending and that no matter what the police had done, Henry Nowak would have died. But that is not the point.

No, it's not the point. I agree. The question which needs to be asked is why Henry was handcuffed. Nobody actually knows that the police were blinded by the accusations of racism or whether it was something else.