Cold rage

It's not goady to discuss attacks on our country by Musk and Vance by using tragic events. They never fail to make disparaging remarks by any means fair or foul. In this case definitely foul.

I certainly don't find it goady.
It's our news to discuss as we see fit, just the same as the the currently discussed murder of Henry.

The issue that's come to light in the wake of Henry's tragic death is the questioning of the police's response to the event.

Again, our discusion worthy, without the implication that everyday people have an agenda in doing so, or are unable to apply critical thinking.

MissAdventure

I certainly don't find it goady.
It's our news to discuss as we see fit, just the same as the the currently discussed murder of Henry.

The issue that's come to light in the wake of Henry's tragic death is the questioning of the police's response to the event.

Again, our discusion worthy, without the implication that everyday people have an agenda in doing so, or are unable to apply critical thinking.

Good post. I agree.

Thank you.
I'm like a dog with a bone when i get a bee in my bonnet, to mix me metaphors (?)

I'm not even sure I'm making sense!

twaddle

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cp8p08e3jz0o

The link needs to be read. This victim's parents are also suffering.

Where are the posts on social media from Vance, Musk and Farage? Two tier commenting maybe.

There are two things here I think. The first thing is that the link details the senseless and unprovoked killing of a young man and his killer’s Father’s cover up.Which is a similar case to the killing of Henry Nowak, with the killer’s Mother and brother doing a similar cover up.
And there the similarities end, as the Saudi student wasn’t treated badly by the police and handcuffed and read his rights as he lay dying and the white killer treated with kindness and consideration.

It's what is needful to point out the difference in the responses we get on these issues, and that is what the O/P intended to highlight.

2 tier reporting is what is happening, on a massive scale.

It's good to see the BBC - there will be others - to have reported both on an appropriate factual level and not go off on some rant.

Galaxy

A number of deaths particularly when the police are involved receive more political and media attention, George Floyd, Sarah Everard, etc. If those are discussed by a range of politicians, then to be honest I see very little difference.

Are you aware there is a huge difference between the deaths of George Floyd and Sarah Everard and the murders. of Henry and Agaism.

Floyd was brutally murdered by a police officer with 2 other officers holding him down to assist in the 9.5 minute asphyxiation. Everard was kidnapped, raped and strangled by a police officer.

The murders of Everard and Floyd have nothing whatsoever in common with the murders of Henry (white and murdered by a Sikh man) and Agaism (a student from Saudi Arabia who was murdered by a British man). The difference in reaction from Vance, Farage, Musk and others is telling as Twaddle highlights.

Vance specifically blames Henry's murder on 'migrant invasion' and that Henry would still be alive if Europe had tightened its grip on "the mass invasion of migrants". Shameful.

Tony Robinson reports information about Digwa's conviction to Musk, Musk amplifies misinformation and invasion of migrant conspiracy theories and Farage whips up cold pure anger.

Did they do any of this for Agaism- no. Most likely because he was not white, his murder provided no opportunity to push their nationalist agenda and conspiracy theories and thus not such an easy trigger to provoke division and disorder..

Several factors brought the case of Henry Nowak into prominence; the false account of the murder by the murderer and his family which hastened the victim's death, the fact that he was allowed to carry a bladed instrument legally because of his faith, and the poor response of the police.
I do not recall accounts of Henry Nowak's death if December 2025 although I am sure it was reported , as was the death of Algasim.

What concerns me more are the lenient sentences handed down. Both Henry Nowak and this young man's murderer were handed life sentences for unprovoked attacks but both will be eligible for parole in 21/22 years. They will still have many years ahead of them to marry, have children and live a life. A courtesy they did not extend to their victims. A life sentence needs to mean exactly that. Their victim's families will be serving one, why not them?

Jaberwok

This young man was murdered last December, six months ago, why was there no outrage, visits to Downing Street, media attention and so at the time? Why now and not then?!

Because at the time the details were not known - that the killer had accused the victim of racial abuse, nor had the videos showing the shocking way the police responded in their treatment of the victim after this accusation.

All this only came out at the trial and the riots etc followed promptly after the end of the triaal and the release of the police video.

OP suggestion there may be two tier media reporting is an interesting concept- so googled it:

Apparently there are 2 distinct issues:
1) the Structural News Media Divide (Accessibility and Reach), i.e. there are tiers of the growing gap in news engaged citizens-
tier 1 - news enthusiasts who have access to and consume high quality, fact checked journalism
tier2- the disengaged who rely on whatever unvetted logarithms feed them on social media or largely tune out news altogether leading to echo chambers or localised news deserts.

The House of Lords, Communications and Digital Committee warned this digital fracture threatens shared democratic values.

2) Allegations of Bias ( Ideological and Political. Two tier is also a politically charged term used to accuse the media or state institutions like the police that treat. certain communities more leniently than others, specifically alleging bias along political, racial or class lines. This creates controversy and polarisation. Some commentators and politicians argue that these double standards are systemic.

The relationship between Trump,Vance, Musk as social media giant, Farage and Tommy Robinson and their chosen preferred media outlets for amplification. and trigger is intentional and powerful

The aims and motivations are in plain sight.

Fair point Sarnia about the sentencing.

And I agree with LemonJam.

eazybee

Several factors brought the case of Henry Nowak into prominence; the false account of the murder by the murderer and his family which hastened the victim's death, the fact that he was allowed to carry a bladed instrument legally because of his faith, and the poor response of the police.
I do not recall accounts of Henry Nowak's death if December 2025 although I am sure it was reported , as was the death of Algasim.

If you had been a follower of X (Twitter) posts, you would possibly have seen Henry Norwak's name many months ago. The case couldn't be reported in the UK because it was subjudice, but Elon Musk could post about it outside the UK.

As ever, what happened was that the case was announced and the the algorithms ensured that it was picked up by people who retweeted it. There were two themes: criticising the police (so-called two-tier policing) and blaming immigration, even though Digwa was born in the UK and is British. Musk couldn't care less about Norwak nor his family, but the case fitted the requirements to promote his causes. The Algasim case doesn't.

After Digwa was convicted and sentenced, the UK press was free to report what it wanted. The fact that it was subjudice is probably why you do not recall accounts from December 2025.

Being eligible for parole isn’t a guarantee the offender will get it. If they do, they are subject to licence for life and can be recalled to prison

twadle, thanks for the explanation.

Thank you for bothering to follow up, LemonJam, and for posting that.

The issue of "two tier reporting" (or whatever it should be called) really concerns me, for the reasons you state in your post.

People obviously can't be forced to engage in current affairs, but it is frightening that in a democracy, people all have a vote, which can so easily be manipulated. It's a huge issue, which affects every one of us.

It is a huge issue and risk to democratic value I agree twaddle.

There are those on various posts regarding Henry's murder Farage's HoC diatribe and calling the nation to cold pure anger that have said I agree with Farage, he is speaking for the nation and I have not rioted in Southampton I feel somewhat miss the point.

Farage is not calling, Musk is not amplifying, TR is not rallying those who are rational and in her 2 on the structural news media divide as set out above.

They are dog whistling to tier 2 to garner their votes in order reward themselves financially and with power and attention. It is hugely damaging to our society as Southampton and Henry's family is currently experiencing.

correction-*tier 1* not her 2

Trump is the master of this- and look at the severe increase in civil unrest and sustained undermining of public institutions and the justice system since he began his second term- abetted by Musk.

Farage is Trump's disciple and apprentice.

Well here's another murder ( white mother) with some policing questions but no outrage or questions in parliament:

A mother who poisoned her one-year-old son with a lethal cocktail of prescription medications added to milk in a baby bottle was jailed for life for his murder this week.

Emma Barnett, 36, killed her son Oakley before he could be taken into care after a family court hearing ordered that he be removed from her care. Barnett was due to face a court hearing about her son’s removal from her care but did not attend and after the meeting the police and social workers sought to find her. Police attended her address late evening and heard the sound of a baby crying coming from the loft. Unbeknownst to the police Barnett had added the antihistamine promethazine, which can induce sedation, and the antidepressant mirtazapine to juice and milk in Oakley’s baby bottles.

The police could hear the toddler crying, was fully aware a court had ordered the toddler to be removed from mother’s unsafe care, yet prioritised attempts to talk Barnett down. Then at 12.16am “the situation changed dramatically – in answer to a question from a police officer, Barnett said ‘I killed him'.

The judge said officers then “immediately forced entry” into her house and found Oakley unresponsive and that Barnett had tried to take her own life. However Oakley was alive and crying on their arrival- at what stage did the police notice the crying had stopped? If they had forced entry earlier could Oakley's death have been prevented? Oakley, who was 14 months old, died in hospital on 31 December 2024.

The judge, sentencing Barnett to life in prison with a minimum term of 22 years on Friday, said: This was the killing of a very young and vulnerable child wholly dependent on you brought about by your deliberate actions Just as Henry’s death was brought about by Digwa’s deliberate actions

No social media posts from Vance, Farage, Musk, TR et al about Oakley’s death or 2 tier policing. Of course this case does not have any immigrant slant- other factors have commonality but perhaps the lack of immigrant slant means there is 2 tier interest in murders and associated policing to many? No posts on Gransnet. No questions asked in parliament about the policing in this case- ie why did the police not turn up to the mother’s house until very late at night? Why did they not force entry to remove the child immediately on arrival as they heard the toddler crying? There has been no release of body cam footage as a result of public outrage showing that the police did not secure the safety of Oakley before he became he became none responsive. No allegations of 2 tier policing as a result of the mother being white and the baby white- ie did the police officers put the mother’s mental health welfare first before securing the safety of the crying baby because she was white? Who was the victim- the mother or the toddler and who did the police prioritise? Would they have forced immediate entry if the mother was not white? Did the police contribute to the baby’s death by not forcing entry sooner? Do we trust the forensic pathology report presented to the court? The quality of the forensic pathology report presented at Digwa’s trial has been questioned by a posters on Gransnet after all.

I stress I am not criticising the police who arrived at Barnett's house. We were no present and do not know all the facts. We do not know the outcome of the safeguarding investigation. I am however comparing the murders and wonder why this case triggers no similar questions.

Because LemonJam you can’t compare apples with pears.

Thanks LemonJam, what a tragic case … but, of course a white mother killing her white baby doesn’t fit the racist, 2 tier narrative currently being promoted.

Sadly, it would appear that, for some, skin colour / ethnicity make a difference when it comes to murder.

I could easily have named other cases, you see it frequently with missing children for example, some children receive an enormous amount of political and media attention and other don't. It is a common phenomena.