Disappearing contributors - part 2

desaparecidos.
Justin Beiber had a hit song quite catchy!

I think the lack of warning makes a stronger case than concentrating on a report. HQ has said that they follow a procedure, and for whatever reason that hasn’t happened in this case.

Reports lead to deletions - we know that. But they shouldn’t lead to an automatic ban, as they are, at face value, just one person’s dislike of a post. As I’ve said before, when people say ‘I could report you for that, but I won’t’ I imagine them in the playground sticking out their tongue. The assumption is clearly that their irritation at a post will be shared by all, and it won’t be. Flagrant rule breaks or illegalities should be reported but clashes of personality are just that.

There have been times when it was obvious why posters were banned - even when their friends are angry about it, but in this case (and IMO in the case of growstuff) there was no obvious reason.

If HQ feels that perhaps they acted in haste, or that the process they advertise wasn’t followed, that makes a clearer case, IMO, than the muddy waters of reported posts.

Good morning Allira and our support her reinstatement group.
I hope you’re ok Allira

Good Morning Allira. Hope you’re keeping OK💐

The brick wall is still here I see. I am aware now that private messaging is anything but.

nanna8 what makes you say that?

Just checking in to say Good Morning Allira, as you can hopefully see we're all missing your presence and still hold out hope that you can be with us again.

When a post is deleted, does the poster get notification as to why it was deleted? I know you get the anodyne message from GNHQ about 'guidelines' - but do you get told exactly which guidelines your post breached, for instance? I know they are saying Allira had been warned about previous posts - but is that actually true, and even if it were, what were the warnings? It all seems a bit 'airy fairy' to me - if you have clear rules, then posters should be told which rules they have been adjudged to have breached. Surely that's only right?

ViceVersa, So far as I’m aware, posts are deleted and the poster isn’t informed, much less told why the post was deleted

I've been looking at the 'rules and regs' for this site and really do not understand how they are applied. It's making me so distrustful of GN that I hesitate to post. I note that several of my posts on that other thread were certainly in contravention of the rules as were some of the responses to them but nothing happened - yet. GN mods asleep at the wheel.
Just in case it's not crystal clear - WE WANT Allira BACK.

The mods have said they will let this thread stand Aveline, I’d guess that’s why the usual rules haven’t applied.

I still think they will wait for the thread to burn itself out, and that the only way Allira would be reinstated is if there is new evidence provided to them to support a case for reinstatement. We don’t know if it was a single person reporting her, or a number of people, if it was just one person they would have noticed that originally and acted accordingly I think? We also don’t know whether the reports were the main reason she was removed, or the ‘return of a previously banned poster’ issue, or if something else was the tipping point.

I want Allira back as much as everybody else does, but I don’t think the current tactic is going to work unfortunately. Shoot me now, because of course I understand that everybody has the best of intentions, and this is only my opinion.

The rules are so opaque - just a pretty generic ‘be kind’ in effect - which means interpretation can be pretty fluid in my opinion. Very open to a poster taking offence for whatever reason. It’s all pretty nebulous and if no actual warnings are given (as in Allira’s case she - told me so) then bam! You just find you can’t sign in and wonder why…

It’s upsetting
And wrong.

Gosh Doodledog I hadn’t realised that Growstuff had been banned.
A poster I rarely agreed with and who held strong views but always interesting and well researched posts.
Goodness me, let’s have a rewritten and clear list of rules followed by a total
Amnesty for all previously banned posters.
Once we have a list of completely unambiguous rules we will all know how to behave as expected.
So GNHQ please may we have unambiguous rules and a wiped clean slate for all.
Thank you.

Iam64

ViceVersa, So far as I’m aware, posts are deleted and the poster isn’t informed, much less told why the post was deleted

That's so stupid - how is anyone supposed to know what they did wrong if they're not told exactly why their post was deleted? Any other social media platform will tell you what rules you've broken - I've been a mod on various ones and this has always been the case.

We would like you to publish a set of rules that are
Perfectly clear
Can only be understood in one way
Can only be interpreted in one way
Leaves no room for doubt
Leaves no room for confusion

Maybe sometimes they tell someone their post deleted but not the reason, simply advise them to read the guidelines

It’s not good enough

Iam64

Maybe sometimes they tell someone their post deleted but not the reason, simply advise them to read the guidelines

It’s not good enough

No, it's not. The rules need to be spelled out clearly and if someone breaks those rules, then they should be told which rule they have broken and why.

I've had one past deleted in the past 10 days and was asked for further explanation about what I meant exactly. Presumably there was something I wrote that required closer inspection as it might have contained some truth.

I've had another post deleted in the past 10 days but was not notified at all. I just stumbled across its deletion when an innocent poster came back to the thread to add a comment.

Me too Marta. No explanation. Although I think it was probably because I mentioned Allira on the AMW thread, my mistake for which I apologise if I caused offence but would have appreciated an explanation and would like to know if there is a total number of deletions allowed before I’m sent off.

Re the above. It was what I considered a light hearted post to start with as we were all speculating about how he acquired his bruise. There were amusing answers so I wondered what Allira might have said. No unkindness, no nastiness, no isms

The rules are rather confusing, and in my opinion open to interpretation…

Indeed GG they should be totally unambiguous. Currently they are anything but.

It's come to something when members seem to be tip toeing round and cautiously scrutinising their own posts for fear of causing offence or banishment. It's draining the life out of the site. Anodyne, curated views or lively, stimulating discussion...I know which I prefer.

Very true Nannee49 my toes are getting rather sore 🩰

To my mind this 'breaching the guidelines' without clear guidelines is akin to being told not to exceed the speed limit without being told what it is. And then being banned from driving on the spot because they deem you did!