Non binery people

I think it's only one private school introducing a non gender specific uniform policy at the moment, not schools in general.

I don't like the term non-binary cos it doesn't make sense. Transgender is much more sensible as it says what it is.

I have no problem with children being aware that there are people who have been born into the wrong body. Most people from an early age simply know what they are. I know I am a female and can't imagine being a male. My husband just knows he's a male and can't imagine being female. As do my children and grandchildren. I don't think it will lead to any confusion for the children as long as adults don't make a fuss about it. Children aren't daft. They know that not all people are the same and accept it far more easily than adults seem to do.

That's fine gilly, the problems start when boys who like pink things or playing with princesses are made to feel there's something wrong with them, similarly girls who like meccano are called 'unfeminine' in a derogatory way.
marieeliz there have always been women who have dressed in androgynous clothes or given themselves men's names for whatever reason.
George Eliot, for example.

Ours are the same gilly , all the Lego , pink, fire station, farm etc is in one box and none of them blink an eye at whether a brick is pink or not.

All 4 ( 3 boys and a girl) played with dollies and buggies and at least 2 of the boys for a while chose pink as their favourite colour . We don't do gender neutral toys in our house and no one makes fun of their toy choices. It's no big deal is it ?

This is only a problem caused by adults though jane my family have never adopted traditional roles. My DDiL is the most least domestic person ever and my son is very domestic. Its natural that the children follow what they see.

We have one of those little Ikea kitchens in our shed together with little tables, chairs etc. (I can't get any "shed" things in). I asked if I could give it away as I wondered if they had finished playing with it. To be honest I would like my shed back. The eldest (girl) now 11 says she is too old to play with it and yes I could get rid. Her sister (9) says she won't play with it any more (just copying off big sister) the little boy (7)said he loves it and I mustn't give it away as he like being just like daddy and doing all the cooking, cleaning and washing up.

Our are exactly the same NanaandGrampy all thrown in together although my grandson loves to wind his sisters up by putting Batmans head onto Cinderellas body or vice versa.

Now that made me laugh Gilly !! Our 2 middle boys like to set up the hot wheels track, tie Cinderella to a car and fire her down the stairs !

Must be a boy thing because my Grandaughter just shakes her head whilst they're gleefully setting it up.

Can you be the "most least" ? Just wondered.

It seems to be a boy thing NanaandGrampy they just don't seem to be able to "play nicely"

Just reminded me of DGS dressed as a pirate together with sword and eye patch, holding Baby Born over the side of the bunk bed and shouting to his sister.... "come and watch Annabelle walk the plank" [horrid boy emoticon]

I often feel I want to go away and boil my head in a big saucepan when I hear 'new think' about sexuality; Russell Brand (only a mother could love him) is evidently intending to bring his male baby up as 'gender neutral'. Good luck with that Russell.
Oh for the days when private parts were private, and a sexual relationship was also something wonderful but private between two consenting adults, and not a topic for illustration on snapchat and facebook.

my daughter has a friend who dresses and looks like a 13 year old boy she isn't interested in womens clothes or makeup or anything "female" at all ,she's studying computer sciences at Uni ..she does however have a long term relationship with a man who is a fair bit older than her .She had need to state publicly that she is who SHE is and that people who know her accept and love her exactly how she is .Maybe if we,the public stopped being so "interested" in everybody's lives then people like her could just get on with hers in her own way without snide remarks and insults.She is a lovely person and has a heart of gold we love her for who she is

ISHOULD HAVE SAID SHE'S IN HER THIRTIES

My DD's best friends are a lesbian couple. She worked with one of the girls for many years and introduced her to to her now partner. They are often at mine as neither girls have family in the area where they live. I am their "Northern mum". My grandchildren have known them all their lives and never made any mention about them being two girls or the fact that one of them dresses (and looks) like a boy. Until one Sunday afternoon when we were sitting having tea my DGS (then 5) piped up "K, are you a mummy or a daddy?" I was mortified until she answered "Well, let me see, I don't have any children of my own so I guess I'm neither" "Oh I see" he said and carried on eating his cake.

gilly-
Can you be the "most least" ? Just wondered

You don't need the 'most'.
'DiL is the least domesticated person'
Or you could have put 'DiL is the most undomesticated person'

But personally I prefer the first version

How very silly all this labelling is - and utterly pointless. People should be allowed to dress entirely as they wish without having a label stuck on them.

What we do not want is for biological gender to be overriden when it comes to public toilets or changing rooms. A changing room full of men in skirts getting ready for swimming is fine; but I would prefer they did not import their danglers into the female changing room - where most will be wearing trousers no doubt.

Is it me but all minorities seem to get so much attention. It's always poor me. As long as people stick to the law and obey the rules. Treat everyone with compassion, respect and are sensitive to the people around them. They can be who they want to be. Have the religion they want but in their own time. Why do the rest of us have to adjust what we do. Whoever I meet its up to them to discuss how they feel about themselves. Then I know where they are coming from and treat as appropriate. It seems it's assumed everyone is prejudice against everything which I am certainly not. I also think children should be treated sensitively but major decisions should be taken when they are adults.

My husband never misses an opportunity to be funny. This morning he was at the chemists picking up a prescription for me. When they called my name, he said "that's me, I'm non binary". The pharmacist fell about laughing.

A changing room full of men in skirts getting ready for swimming is fine; but I would prefer they did not import their danglers into the female changing room

Oh I dunno Luckygirl it might give all the "trouser wearing" girls a good giggle. after all, some "danglers" will dangle more than others

My grammar is so bad janeainsworth although sometimes even I can recognise a boo boo when I make one.

The "most least" just seems so much less than just the least though doesn't it?

It's tautology gilly(saying the same thing twice in different words)

I think "most least" is fantastic! I shall use it at every opportunity!

Filled in a form the other day. Choices were [Male], [Female], [Other]. Didn't get it at the time but now I understand.

A (new for me) good word jane . I am going to let it slip into conversation that I often practise the art of "tautology".

I saw that interview too BlueBelle. I have absolutely no problem with how people wish to be defined at all. If people want to be gender neutral, then who am I to question them?
However:
Only one thing made me feel dreadfully uncomfortable about this interview. 'Fox' produced a picture/reading book aimed at children from the age of 3 years of age with the message am I a Girl or a Boy?
I do not wish to offend anyone, but I find this very worrying.
I was a real tomboy as a child. I was more interested in building dens, climbing trees, and playing with my Brothers train set than playing with dolls a lot of the time. My Parents very wisely saw it as a tomboy thing. I did not have a problem with who I was then, or even now. I am very much a Woman, and happy to be one.
What if I were a child now, and given that book?
I can only imagine several years of counselling, and a deep seated identity complex.

A number of us have posted, as 1974cookie did above, about our so called 'tomboy' ways as children. I was an avid reader of anything at all but especially the Famous Five, Secret 7 books and of course, Little Women. I never identified with the 'girly' characters and between about 6 and 9 would probably have chosen to be a boy. Boys had more comfortable clothes for tree climbing, bike riding, fishing in the local pond and many more exciting games. The tv, books and fairy stories were full of tales of daring do and rescue, always with boys at the centre. Girls were usually to be found whimpering in a corner. No wonder so many of us identified with George (famous 5) or Jo rather than Beth in Little Women.
I'm not minimising the difficulties adults and adolescents experience around gender and sexuality As I said earlier, I don't support giving meds to pre pubescent children in order to suppress sexual development.