sisters in Syria

You're missing the point, soon.

They went to Syria to support ISIS (as far as we know). The fact that they left their husbands in order to do that is just a by product...

How do you know, Ana? Have they said so?

Did you not notice the bit in brackets, durhamjen?

DurhamJen Syeeda Warsi a human rights lawyer - since when?

And since when has Anya been a conservative supporter?
I'm surprised she hasn't come back to set you straight on that point, durhamjen, but then as she said...

Leaving husbands is never a by product.

In fact she was pelted with eggs by Muslims in 2009 and described as 'not a proper Muslim' because of her involvement with the British Army in Afghanistan, so definitely not viewed with any credibility by them.
I'm pretty certain she wasn't ever a human rights lawyer either Riverwalk.

It would be a dreadful thing for another wall to go up in the world.

I agree jingl but until the refugees' countries start sorting out the problems that force people out then neighbouring countries are facing taking measures. The costs must be dreadful to both sides, one humanitarian the other financial.

DJ that's pretty much my point, most countries will revert to nationalism if they feel their interests are being threatened in some way. Some of the newer European accession countries wish to remain a mono culture and no amount of political and fiscal union will change that. In my opinion this country has a better record on dealing with different cultures, race and religion than many of our European counterparts, as such, I object to the "national resentment" remark I think it's a ridiculous comment from a self serving mealy mouthed Eurocrat.

Donald Trump is a buffoon and seems to be suffering from a terminally bad hair day and those two reasons alone really should preclude him from the presidential race. A wall between America and USA wouldn't be viable and incidentally I read somewhere that during the economic downturn, cities in the US near the Mexican border may have recovered quicker if they had allowed Mexicans freer access to come over and shop. Mexico does of course have a lot of problems with appalling violence associated with it's drug cartels which they unfortunately don't seem to be able to eradicate.

My reading which I am happy to have discredited is that three young women were married off to older men from abroad and have produced three children. They've done their tedious duty as I imagine it would be married to an old man in an arranged marriage. Their dear brother has been telling them, of the glorious Fatherland where they will have gorgeous sexy warriors as lovers and their daughters will be wed to same(doesn't matter if they are 8 or 9 the younger the better) their sons will be initiated into the life of a Muslim warrior (god forbid one son might prefer blokes but then he will be chucked off the top of a car park)or if one is SN then they are perfect for training as a suicide bOmber.
I tend to read articles in reputable foreign newspapers. I don't read the DM or the Guarniad

Sorry, Baroness Warsi is a lawyer and was the minister of state responsible for human rights. I stand corrected.

That pretty well sums it up for me too Stansgran

Best of luck to them, I just feel so sad for the children.

Warsi is a Conservative Party stooge - she failed at the ballot box but was given a peerage.

Actually Stansgran one sister has 5 children and the others have 2 each...sorry to be pedantic!

For your information Jen (please note - not entering into discussion just appoint of fact) I voted Labour in the last election, and consider Warsi to be a conservative stooge, as so aptly described by Riverwalk.

All the conversation has been really interesting, and so much politics. I am like loopylou with Stansgran although being married off to an older man does not always prove to be an unhappy marriage. It is sad that the families are now in a strange war-torn country, where we seem to think they will be in far more danger than in living here. They were lucky to live in a country which allows free passage and perhaps they will come to appreciate the freedom they had here, but too late of course.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-33216195

Now the families are saying the police 'encouraged' the women to be in contact with their brother, and they should be held responsible for the women joining him.......

I guess they'll blame anyone other than taking any responsibility for their son going to join IS in the first place.

They have gone and will never be back.ISIS have killed over 400 foreigners who tried to leave them.The blame is all on the women themselves, not this country, not the police and not anyone else.If this country is so bad, why are millions trying to get in here?most Muslims here enjoy living here, they make money ( often lots of money) have freedoms unheard of in a lot of countries,
Free education, free NHS etc, and a safe country.Anyone who says different needs their heads looking at.

At least one of the children is a teenager and I wonder if the women saw the lifstyle adopted by British teenagers as something which would have dragged their children into a way of life they found abhorrent. That they imagined them being tempted away from their religion. It isn't a point of view I agree with, but I can see that if you were a religious person you might worry about what might happen to them in this world but also what effect that might have on them in the next.

I don't think one of the boys is 14-15 so he'll be expected to be an Isis soldier. I wonder if he knew what his mother planned and what would be expected of him?

That should read 'I think one of the boys...'

I don't agree with what the sisters/mothers have done, but thinking about it objectively if that is possible with children involved, they must have been very brave to have taken the decision to leave all that they know for the unknown, and being intelligent as again they must have been to organise this departure as they did, aware of the troubles they were going into. I still hope that they find what they thought they wanted.

"At least one of the children is a teenager and I wonder if the women saw the lifestyle adopted by British teenagers as something which would have dragged their children into a way of life they found abhorrent" Trisha I don't disagree entirely with that statement, I think there are aspects of modern life in Britain particularly those that appertain to some of today's youth that are abhorrent. Nevertheless, I think there are a multitude of conservative cultures that live in our country who would keep a reasonably tight rein on their children to ensure that they don't go off the rails, Jewish, Sikh, Hindu, Chinese etc. often where the emphasis is on education, not to mention a large percentage of the indigenous population. Whilst peer pressure is undoubtedly a factor with young people, I would imagine the children in question lived in a fairly closed community and were less susceptible to outside influences. In any case I don't think it's inevitable that all young people in this country will grow up to be degenerates. I still think these young people will be far more damaged by the the terror and complete disregard and lack of compassion for humanity that they are likely to experience in Syria.

I was trying to look at it from the women's point of view TerriBull. Keeping teenagers on track is a hard task and if you were very devout I can see that you might come to believe only removing your children would save them. Even very closed communities are open to a range of influences these days. I didn't comment on what will happen to them in Syria as I know nothing about this.