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German voters slide inexorably to common sense …

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FriedGreenTomatoes2 Sun 14-Jun-26 18:58:04

Good luck to the AfD and Reform.
Common sense is finally emerging. The welfarism cannot (and should not) be sustained.

MawsRosie Tue 16-Jun-26 18:55:10

MaizieD

Jaxjacky

It’s William Shriver Witzend oops! 🙂

Well, yes. Lionel Shriver is rather right wing I understand. She might well approve of Hitler's methods.

An appalling indictment MaizieD and I suspect possibly libellous
^ Hitler’s methods^ ????

Lionel Shriver is not easily classified as strictly right-wing, though her increasingly vocal critiques of identity politics, immigration, and progressive orthodoxy have led to her being labelled as such. She formally identifies as a lifelong Democrat She has expressed feeling alienated by the left's current trajectory, leading her to adopt stances that align with modern conservatism

Since when did Conservative equate with Nazi?

Cossy Tue 16-Jun-26 19:03:54

Btw, based on the below, is this really a man serious about his political career and serving his constituency well?

“Since taking office in July 2024, Nigel Farage has attended and voted in \(69\) out of approximately \(206\) total roll-call votes in the House of Commons. This gives him a voting attendance record of about \(33.5\%\).A more detailed breakdown of his voting record over his parliamentary tenure includes:Total Votes: Participated in \(69\) out of \(206\) available divisions.Recent Activity: Between March 18, 2026, and June 3, 2026, he missed \(77\) consecutive votes, attributing his absence to his national campaign schedule.Committee Work: Trackers monitoring parliamentary activity consistently rank his overall voting participation rate and debate contributions among the lowest of all active MPs.”

valdali Tue 16-Jun-26 19:14:59

Cossy, I think he's desperately scrabbling round trying to poach someone from other parties; recruit someone who's either not a slimey multi-millionaire who is loathable on sight like Tice; has misogynistic posts all over his social media like the Makersfield candidate; or has only been in the UK for 5 years like the Reform candidate in our constituency at the last GE.

Because it's not easy recruiting in any field atm in the UK, but creditable politicians who believe in Reform? That's a full-time job and then some...

Cossy Tue 16-Jun-26 21:29:06

Primrose I completely agree that changing one’s allegiances politically is not a bad thing if you feel your party no longer aligns with your own beliefs.

As I was brought up in a very right wing household I started my voting life as a Tory, even at one point being a fully paid up “Young Conservative”.

When I hit my thirties I was more of a LibDem type, however Nick Clegg put paid to that when he joined the Tories in Coalition.

I toyed with Green, and Independents, but never voted for them.

Now in my late sixties, I’m a Labour Party supporter, but wouldn’t describe myself as very left wing.

I’d still like to see Starmer fulfil his entire term. The job he was elected to do.

None of my beliefs or views align with either Reform or Restore, so cannot see myself ever voting for them.

Change is often positive, just as often it’s not.

Reform would have to be able to illustrate very clearly and concisely how their policies will improve the lives of all living in our country and the “how” “why” and “how much”.

For me, I simply cannot see this nor, when asked repeatedly, can most of his supporters.

Cossy Tue 16-Jun-26 21:35:00

valdali

Cossy, I think he's desperately scrabbling round trying to poach someone from other parties; recruit someone who's either not a slimey multi-millionaire who is loathable on sight like Tice; has misogynistic posts all over his social media like the Makersfield candidate; or has only been in the UK for 5 years like the Reform candidate in our constituency at the last GE.

Because it's not easy recruiting in any field atm in the UK, but creditable politicians who believe in Reform? That's a full-time job and then some...

Personally, and it is a personal view, I don’t think he even wants to be PM.

He’s a player, too many fingers in too many pies and some of them very sticky.

He’s extremely happy to have finally achieved his aim of many decades, that’s becoming an MP, putting two fingers up at the established parties, flying all over the world, first class, at his many “pals” expense, earning shedloads of cash as a “speaker”, being on GB News, running his media company and spending his MEP pension on beer at Frinton Cricket Club. He’s really living his best life! But PM material? I think not.

MayBee70 Tue 16-Jun-26 21:45:41

This is what I was told by someone who worked with him at one time.

Cossy Tue 16-Jun-26 22:26:12

nanna8

I actually do agree about the 100,000. because if these people are ‘unrecorded’ no one knows the real figures, do they ?

It’s not about whether you agree or I disagree, it’s about whether this figure of 100,000 has any basis in fact!

Shinamae Wed 17-Jun-26 00:45:46

This…..🤔

nanna8 Wed 17-Jun-26 13:38:42

Cossy

nanna8

I actually do agree about the 100,000. because if these people are ‘unrecorded’ no one knows the real figures, do they ?

It’s not about whether you agree or I disagree, it’s about whether this figure of 100,000 has any basis in fact!

That’s me told.