German voters slide inexorably to common sense …

Cossy

nanna8

I actually do agree about the 100,000. because if these people are ‘unrecorded’ no one knows the real figures, do they ?

It’s not about whether you agree or I disagree, it’s about whether this figure of 100,000 has any basis in fact!

That’s me told.

This…..🤔

nanna8

I actually do agree about the 100,000. because if these people are ‘unrecorded’ no one knows the real figures, do they ?

It’s not about whether you agree or I disagree, it’s about whether this figure of 100,000 has any basis in fact!

This is what I was told by someone who worked with him at one time.

valdali

Cossy, I think he's desperately scrabbling round trying to poach someone from other parties; recruit someone who's either not a slimey multi-millionaire who is loathable on sight like Tice; has misogynistic posts all over his social media like the Makersfield candidate; or has only been in the UK for 5 years like the Reform candidate in our constituency at the last GE.

Because it's not easy recruiting in any field atm in the UK, but creditable politicians who believe in Reform? That's a full-time job and then some...

Personally, and it is a personal view, I don’t think he even wants to be PM.

He’s a player, too many fingers in too many pies and some of them very sticky.

He’s extremely happy to have finally achieved his aim of many decades, that’s becoming an MP, putting two fingers up at the established parties, flying all over the world, first class, at his many “pals” expense, earning shedloads of cash as a “speaker”, being on GB News, running his media company and spending his MEP pension on beer at Frinton Cricket Club. He’s really living his best life! But PM material? I think not.

Primrose I completely agree that changing one’s allegiances politically is not a bad thing if you feel your party no longer aligns with your own beliefs.

As I was brought up in a very right wing household I started my voting life as a Tory, even at one point being a fully paid up “Young Conservative”.

When I hit my thirties I was more of a LibDem type, however Nick Clegg put paid to that when he joined the Tories in Coalition.

I toyed with Green, and Independents, but never voted for them.

Now in my late sixties, I’m a Labour Party supporter, but wouldn’t describe myself as very left wing.

I’d still like to see Starmer fulfil his entire term. The job he was elected to do.

None of my beliefs or views align with either Reform or Restore, so cannot see myself ever voting for them.

Change is often positive, just as often it’s not.

Reform would have to be able to illustrate very clearly and concisely how their policies will improve the lives of all living in our country and the “how” “why” and “how much”.

For me, I simply cannot see this nor, when asked repeatedly, can most of his supporters.

Cossy, I think he's desperately scrabbling round trying to poach someone from other parties; recruit someone who's either not a slimey multi-millionaire who is loathable on sight like Tice; has misogynistic posts all over his social media like the Makersfield candidate; or has only been in the UK for 5 years like the Reform candidate in our constituency at the last GE.

Because it's not easy recruiting in any field atm in the UK, but creditable politicians who believe in Reform? That's a full-time job and then some...

Btw, based on the below, is this really a man serious about his political career and serving his constituency well?

“Since taking office in July 2024, Nigel Farage has attended and voted in \(69\) out of approximately \(206\) total roll-call votes in the House of Commons. This gives him a voting attendance record of about \(33.5\%\).A more detailed breakdown of his voting record over his parliamentary tenure includes:Total Votes: Participated in \(69\) out of \(206\) available divisions.Recent Activity: Between March 18, 2026, and June 3, 2026, he missed \(77\) consecutive votes, attributing his absence to his national campaign schedule.Committee Work: Trackers monitoring parliamentary activity consistently rank his overall voting participation rate and debate contributions among the lowest of all active MPs.”

MaizieD

Jaxjacky

It’s William Shriver Witzend oops! 🙂

Well, yes. Lionel Shriver is rather right wing I understand. She might well approve of Hitler's methods.

An appalling indictment MaizieD and I suspect possibly libellous
^ Hitler’s methods^ ????

Lionel Shriver is not easily classified as strictly right-wing, though her increasingly vocal critiques of identity politics, immigration, and progressive orthodoxy have led to her being labelled as such. She formally identifies as a lifelong Democrat She has expressed feeling alienated by the left's current trajectory, leading her to adopt stances that align with modern conservatism

Since when did Conservative equate with Nazi?

FriedGreenTomatoes2

….ps Nigel was in Clacton on Friday, as he often is (most MPs are in their constituencies on Fridays). Just to forestall the next smear.

That’s because most MPs are in HoC or Westminster Mon-Thurs Farage is neither in his constituency nor in Parliament most of his “working week” he too busy doing his other jobs.

Worryingly - it is thought that the U.K. is the next in line for Putins aggression, and many suggest that we are in fact already in a type of warfare with Russia - evidence of cyber attacks on a daily basis, interference in our politics, implicated in the violence on our streets etc.

Jaxjacky

It’s William Shriver Witzend oops! 🙂

William L Shirer, it was my daft mistake in the OP.

Or even Traitors!

If the threat becomes greater from Russia, and it is generally expected to get much worse, where does that leave those who have connections with Russia and their supporters.

Would they be viewed as 5 th columnists ?

On the news this evening, Russia is seen as the UK's greatest military threat yet British people are supportive of political parties both in the UK and in Europe who are funded by Russian money, want closer links with Russia and want to see sanctions on Russia removed and whose leaders are in the pocket of Putin. How on earth do they "square" this with reclaiming Britain for the British and marching along waving the flag of St George when they are selling the UK down the river. Shame on them!

Jaxjacky

It’s William Shriver Witzend oops! 🙂

Well, yes. Lionel Shriver is rather right wing I understand. She might well approve of Hitler's methods.

It’s William Shriver Witzend oops! 🙂

Witzend

For understanding what led up to Hitler, I can really recommend ‘A Berlin Diary’ by Lionel Shriver, an American journalist, who was in Berlin the few years prior to WW2, and IIRC until the Americans entered the war.

Eminently readable, not heavy going. I think it was first published during WW2.

Lionel Shriver an American novelist. She is perhaps best known for We Need To Talk About Kevin.

She is only in her late 50’s

CatsWhiskas

BTW it's William Shirer.

Yes, that was autocorrect, and I hadn’t checked!

He wrote a much longer book after WW2, when he was given access to literally tonnes of papers the Nazis hadn’t had time to destroy. I don’t usually go for that kind of reading, but I found it unputdownable. ‘The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich’.

Thanks CatsWhiskas.
I must make a correction. Not in print, but second hand copies available. Sorry for any misinfo.

BTW it's William Shirer.

Yes, and it has it's own Wiki page.

One way to find out.

I wonder if it is still in print?

Maremia

I think the use of 'apparently' makes the question acceptable.

Really?????