Another appalling attack

I am not in the slightest or by the people wealthy or poir who wave them. In my area it is very much deprived areas ( the areas whose people I thought were important to the labour party and its voters). In the middle class areas it would be associated with the church or an official event.

Shoulda taken a quick photo snap, but them someone might have come out and accused me of emergency wee-ing on the road outside their property 🤣

Another thread about clothes has a reference to a firm called Chums.
Apparently they sell contraptions which help with that problem 😀

I might investigate.

Ought, and are, are two different things. My family felt threatened, and concerned for their children. My 9 year old DGD repeated in front of me what she had heard from an influential local school mate. We were at mine, in a local park with a boating lake.

Many muslim families were there enjoying the day, and many boats just full of women, some with headscarves, some not. its along established community, 3rd or 4th generation - families producing doctors or teachers, etc etc.

Looking at the boats, she came out with, "why cant "they" learn English and wear "our " clothes"

Obviously there has been much putting right since, quiet chats, and including her grandad my Ex having her for a weekend in Manchester, and his neighbourhood is mixed race, including lovely friendly caring neighbours. Just going for a walk was enough, normal life.

People talk about "ghettos" culturally, but where they live sadly has also now got elements of that, fired up by those living in an all white area who don't actually mix with anything but white people plus take outs.

I don't think they are evil or anything like that, but I do sadly reflect on the effect far right propaganda has had so's it could happen in a primary school.

Sorry, went down a rabbit hole.

Back to the point of the thread.
The pro-Palestinian marches are extremely well-organised and seem to be well established now but should we be scrutinising them more carefully? I'm not saying they should stop altogether but monitored?

Should a sector of our society, peaceful people who threaten no-one, be made to feel so intimidated by others?

Iam64

In my post questioning the negative assumptions associated with union flags and deprived areas, I pointed out one village with flags on every lamp post is one of the wealthiest in my town.

Some folk are so full of negative associations with the union and England flags they make assumptions which like,y have some but not total truth in them.

They’re our flags. We ought not to feel ashamed or threatened by them

100% agree.

twaddle Flags flying to celebrate festivals and supporting the military have been hung with different intent - as I'm sure you know. It is ingenuous to suggest that they represent the same values as the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts.

So you are saying in your area people went to the trouble of getting ladders etc to hang flags from the lampposts that were dirty and torn? The new Green MP posted a video of her walking along a street where union flags had been mounted on lampposts. She has experience of working at height and commented on the skill to erect so many all at the same height. Of course she didn't like them and wished those skills had been put to 'better use' but she admired the skills necessary. I'm amazed that anyone would bother just to hoist dirty torn flags.

Perhaps if you got to know some of the people you are stereotyping Wyllow you might understand them better.
It is perfectly reasonable to discuss the need to speak English, those who don't will be much more disadvantaged than my children, sometimes I think that is what people want.
We are all different, my children have held a range of opinions in their time, many completely contradictory to mine.

Rosie51

Iam64

In my post questioning the negative assumptions associated with union flags and deprived areas, I pointed out one village with flags on every lamp post is one of the wealthiest in my town.

Some folk are so full of negative associations with the union and England flags they make assumptions which like,y have some but not total truth in them.

They’re our flags. We ought not to feel ashamed or threatened by them

100% agree.

twaddle Flags flying to celebrate festivals and supporting the military have been hung with different intent - as I'm sure you know. It is ingenuous to suggest that they represent the same values as the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts.

So you are saying in your area people went to the trouble of getting ladders etc to hang flags from the lampposts that were dirty and torn? The new Green MP posted a video of her walking along a street where union flags had been mounted on lampposts. She has experience of working at height and commented on the skill to erect so many all at the same height. Of course she didn't like them and wished those skills had been put to 'better use' but she admired the skills necessary. I'm amazed that anyone would bother just to hoist dirty torn flags.

Where did they find these dirty, torn flags, I wonder?

Geri Halliwell's old dresses gone to the charity shop?

The flags she was referring to were absolutely pristine, not weathered or torn.

* last post was meant to appear under mine about the Green MP.

Rosie51

Iam64

In my post questioning the negative assumptions associated with union flags and deprived areas, I pointed out one village with flags on every lamp post is one of the wealthiest in my town.

Some folk are so full of negative associations with the union and England flags they make assumptions which like,y have some but not total truth in them.

They’re our flags. We ought not to feel ashamed or threatened by them

100% agree.

twaddle Flags flying to celebrate festivals and supporting the military have been hung with different intent - as I'm sure you know. It is ingenuous to suggest that they represent the same values as the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts.

So you are saying in your area people went to the trouble of getting ladders etc to hang flags from the lampposts that were dirty and torn? The new Green MP posted a video of her walking along a street where union flags had been mounted on lampposts. She has experience of working at height and commented on the skill to erect so many all at the same height. Of course she didn't like them and wished those skills had been put to 'better use' but she admired the skills necessary. I'm amazed that anyone would bother just to hoist dirty torn flags.

No. (sigh)

When the Green party's leader says it's fine for people to carry flags saying 'globalise the intifada' then things are very wrong.
I believe that anyone on a march and shouting that should be arrested. It has come to mean attack on Jews.
The police are being given extra powers and I hope this will be possible.
Banning marches is a contentious issue as it limits freedom we have had here to protest but there should never be any hate placards or chants.
These only lead to the violence we have seen.

The flags hung along the lamp posts where one of my AC live were put there by groups from another nearby town, not by locals. My AC and a couple of neighbours acquired a ladder and took down the ones near their properties. I didn’t notice a single flag in the area on my most recent visit.

Galaxy in my working life I was a Community Support Worker in areas such as described in Greater Manchester, supporting self help initiatives, encouragement, how to get apply for and get resources, a lot of love and humour as well as conflict resolution. I ran groups for single mums, Mental Health type groups for those addicted to tranquillisers, lunch clubs for the isolated elderly people.

Before you start criticising me with assumptions that are not in fact realistic you could perhaps instead ask, "have you actually encountered" people from these backgrounds?

twaddle your words were the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts. That clearly indicates they were torn and dirty as soon as they appeared. If you meant something different perhaps you should have said it. sigh

Allira

Sorry, went down a rabbit hole.

Back to the point of the thread.
The pro-Palestinian marches are extremely well-organised and seem to be well established now but should we be scrutinising them more carefully? I'm not saying they should stop altogether but monitored?

Should a sector of our society, peaceful people who threaten no-one, be made to feel so intimidated by others?

No, they shouldn't feel intimidated. Nobody should feel intimidated when walking down a street.

Yes, the marches do need some scrutinising.

Jonathan Freedland (in The Guardian) suggests that there should be some kind of demonstration against anti-semitism:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/may/01/antisemitism-racism-jews-britain

Rosie51

twaddle your words were the torn and dirty rags which appeared overnight on lamp posts. That clearly indicates they were torn and dirty as soon as they appeared. If you meant something different perhaps you should have said it. sigh

Sigh

I am doing what you did Wyllow about the people in those communities.

It was sarcasm.

SueDonim

The flags hung along the lamp posts where one of my AC live were put there by groups from another nearby town, not by locals. My AC and a couple of neighbours acquired a ladder and took down the ones near their properties. I didn’t notice a single flag in the area on my most recent visit.

There aren't/weren't any flags in my area either. A couple of mini roundabouts had crosses daubed on them, but locals washed them off quite quickly without waiting for action from the council.

It is interesting that many of the flags that I describe are now tattered:

And no one has replaced them

Perhaps the new council has not delivered on the high faluting promises, and not only realised that most of its money is going into social care: some inexperienced councillors "cant deliver"as they don't know really how things get done in complex long standing decision making, potholes versus Nan getting the care she needs,

that £££ have not been released from budgets for initiatives for disadvantaged disabled groups or individuals who form the greatest number of people assisted by "special measures" support for disadvantaged or under represented groupsattempting to enter the workplace.

I'm rather too earnest Galaxy to spot sarcasm and don't like it anyway - why go out of your way to insult, wound, and mock another gransnetter? Just make your point?

I found your post insulting Wyllow, why are you allowed to insult and I am not. I simply repeated your argument back to you. I find the constant 'led by the far right' deeply unpleasant. I am.not sure how 'who don't mix with anything but white people plus take outs' could be seen as anything other than mocking.

SueDonim

The flags hung along the lamp posts where one of my AC live were put there by groups from another nearby town, not by locals. My AC and a couple of neighbours acquired a ladder and took down the ones near their properties. I didn’t notice a single flag in the area on my most recent visit.

Well done.A lot of the flags are made in China.

I'm not sure who are the " usual apologists" or what the Spice Girls have to do with anything.

I think we are so far away from understanding what each other is saying Galaxy, things we don't think we've actually said, its better left.

Are the pride flags and the Palestinian flags not made in China?