Another appalling attack

Galaxy

Are the pride flags and the Palestinian flags not made in China?

I've no idea? And I don't care. This is becoming ridiculous.

No I don't care if they are made in China either.

Wyllow3

Well in the area I mentioned, I had to pull into a small side road for a desperate wee.

But invisible from the road, were large UK and England flags, and a written statement on the gate of the property extolling Reform and all its values and ill thought out remarks about anyone who didn't agree.

Shoulda taken a quick photo snap, but them someone might have come out and accused me of emergency wee-ing on the road outside their property 🤣

You peed on someone’s property in a street! You do know that’s against the law as well as being pretty horrible.

It seems that if you don’t like the flag of England or the Union flag flown then they are always ‘ tattered rags’.
All the flags I see are perfectly fine, flags only hang limply after rain.

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

A tenant in Southwark, received a letter from the council saying the Union flag that he had on his balcony, must be removed as it was upsetting his neighbours.
However it seem to be ok for the councils to fly the Palestinian flag.
Why? As previously mentioned, we should be proud of our flag. Couldn't see this happening in America where every other house has the stars and stripes flying, and in their schools they pledge allegiance to their flag daily.

Left wing council I bet sundowngirl 😉

Oreo

Left wing council I bet sundowngirl 😉

How did you guess

sundowngirl

A tenant in Southwark, received a letter from the council saying the Union flag that he had on his balcony, must be removed as it was upsetting his neighbours.
However it seem to be ok for the councils to fly the Palestinian flag.
Why? As previously mentioned, we should be proud of our flag. Couldn't see this happening in America where every other house has the stars and stripes flying, and in their schools they pledge allegiance to their flag daily.

We don't live in America and flags symbolise something different.

Iam64

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. Anybody with any interest in current affairs knows what the glut of Union Jacks and George Crosses mean to the people who hung them. It didn't take much delving on social media to find invitations to join groups to hang them. They made their values and intentions very clear. People are being naive or deliberately turning a blind eye, if they ignore what's behind them. Third option, they actually agree with the sentiments.

Oreo

Wyllow3

Well in the area I mentioned, I had to pull into a small side road for a desperate wee.

But invisible from the road, were large UK and England flags, and a written statement on the gate of the property extolling Reform and all its values and ill thought out remarks about anyone who didn't agree.

Shoulda taken a quick photo snap, but them someone might have come out and accused me of emergency wee-ing on the road outside their property 🤣

You peed on someone’s property in a street! You do know that’s against the law as well as being pretty horrible.

I don't think the road is any individual's property.

For me the Palestinian flag in this country indicates hatred of Jews, and also represents a country that oppress gay people and women. To me the pride flag represents undiluted misogyny. You don't have to look far on social media to see the sentiments behind them, people are either being naive or agree with the sentiments.

Mandelson was fined £300 for urinating. A disgusting habit .

A small road is still part of the public highway, even if it does give access to a property which displayed:
a written statement on the gate of the property extolling Reform and all its values and ill thought out remarks about anyone who didn't agree.

The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots. says who? Are you the absolute authority on "the English" every single person?

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. exactly so and therefore shouldn't be flown in this country if we're not to fly the Union flag or the English one. It's only by taking pride in our flags that they will be reclaimed from those who would misappropriate them to use in an unwelcome way.

twaddle, who made you the absolute expert on flags. Please explain in what way you conclude the Saltaire doesn’t mean the same to Scots as the Georges does to the English

Or are you concluding that your research confirms you know all about the sentiments , the belief systems behind every single flag. Ie if it’s union or St George’s it’s bad - a thing else is fine.

Omg! What on earth do you think people do if they’re absolutely desperate for a wee? Dogs and cats, and foxes and badgers etc etc wee in the street all the time!

Please do get a grip!

If I was a “flag flyer”, which I’m not, I’ve have no issue in flying the union or English flag.

I’m not, so I don’t, what’s more in my local area there’s a ton of tatty flags attached to lamppost after lamppost, they are ripped and half way up and dirty.

Someone I know regularly removes them.

twaddle

Iam64

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. Anybody with any interest in current affairs knows what the glut of Union Jacks and George Crosses mean to the people who hung them. It didn't take much delving on social media to find invitations to join groups to hang them. They made their values and intentions very clear. People are being naive or deliberately turning a blind eye, if they ignore what's behind them. Third option, they actually agree with the sentiments.

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

I presume you are Scottish!
😁

twaddle

Iam64

Good point Oreo, same here, lots of flags not torn and grubby
It worries me that so many negative assumptions are easily made about the England and union flags. Scotland was actively involved in the empire, in slavery yet their flag is ok. Palestine flags good union or star David flags bad

But England isn't Scotland. The George Cross doesn't mean the same to the English as the Saltire does to the Scots.

Other countries and their flags are irrelevant. Anybody with any interest in current affairs knows what the glut of Union Jacks and George Crosses mean to the people who hung them. It didn't take much delving on social media to find invitations to join groups to hang them. They made their values and intentions very clear. People are being naive or deliberately turning a blind eye, if they ignore what's behind them. Third option, they actually agree with the sentiments.

I presume, from what you post, that you are not English, nor, most probably British?

Of course, if not (and I have several relatives who are not) you are entitled to a viewpoint but perhaos do not have the same insight into what constitutes "Britishness".

twaddle

I had never seen either Palestinian flags nor Union Jacks flying in public until a couple of months ago. I had the misfortune to have to visit a town with dirty, torn Union Jacks flying from nearly all the town centre lamp posts. They looked awful. Not only that, but I knew very well what they represented to the people who had hung them and I felt intimidated to be in such a place. I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.

I felt intimidated to be in such a place
And do you not think that Jewish people might also feel intimidated in areas with Palestinian flags flying on lamp posts and walls?

I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the streets of Tower Hamlets made newspaper headlines because so many lamp posts and walls in the borough had Palestinian flags put up on them. It's a multi cultural area I know very well from working there, and the Council was forced to remove the Palestinian flags. If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

Here's an example of Palestinian flags I mentioned above.

twaddle

sundowngirl

A tenant in Southwark, received a letter from the council saying the Union flag that he had on his balcony, must be removed as it was upsetting his neighbours.
However it seem to be ok for the councils to fly the Palestinian flag.
Why? As previously mentioned, we should be proud of our flag. Couldn't see this happening in America where every other house has the stars and stripes flying, and in their schools they pledge allegiance to their flag daily.

We don't live in America and flags symbolise something different.

We don't live in America and flags symbolise something different.

What, exactly? 🤔

A flag is a national symbol.
It means nothing different. Signifies and identifies a country.

Does this 🇨🇵 symbolise something different to this 🇬🇧?
Or this 🇦🇺? Or this 🇺🇲 Or 🇮🇱
🇪🇭 ?
Really?

What is wrong with this exactly? 🇬🇧

I think you're being a tad naive about the significance of national flags. They don't even mean the same thing in different circumstances.

I have no idea what those little letters mean nor how to create them. When I've seen them before, I always thought they were a bit silly.

MartavTaurus

twaddle

I had never seen either Palestinian flags nor Union Jacks flying in public until a couple of months ago. I had the misfortune to have to visit a town with dirty, torn Union Jacks flying from nearly all the town centre lamp posts. They looked awful. Not only that, but I knew very well what they represented to the people who had hung them and I felt intimidated to be in such a place. I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.

I felt intimidated to be in such a place
And do you not think that Jewish people might also feel intimidated in areas with Palestinian flags flying on lamp posts and walls?

I might very well feel the same if I saw Palestinian flags festooned like that, but I never have. As far as I know, the only time there are hundreds of them flown in public is during marches. They aren't a permanent fixture.
Perhaps you aren't aware that the streets of Tower Hamlets made newspaper headlines because so many lamp posts and walls in the borough had Palestinian flags put up on them. It's a multi cultural area I know very well from working there, and the Council was forced to remove the Palestinian flags. If we want peace and harmony in the community, then everyone has to play a part and take responsibility. There is no room for intimidation or provocation.

To answer your question - yes, probably. I think they should be taken down.

Any further issues?

Is that because you don't know how to use them?
It's quite simple.

No, it is the significance which you believe national flags hold which is the problem, not the actual significance of the flags themselves.