Government ‘considers’ removing Andrew from line of succession.

nanna8

I have never believed in her suicide. Just too convenient wasn’t it ? Same applies to that dreadful Epstein man - he knew too much. Who, though ? CIA, MI5 or someone in the American government? We will never know , or want to know, come to that.

I must say I've got my doubts about the suicide.
If she did commit suicide, which is a great tragedy for all her family and particularly her children who lost their mum, there were many factors and many people who contributed to it . I also have understood that she married into domestic violence at one point . I think that Andrew was a long way from being her prime tormentor.
I'm astonished that Ghislaine Maxwell is still alive. If Trump hadn't fished her out of the hard-line prison and dropped her into a nicer one she possibly wouldn't be. What will the US do with her?
On the succession , I think we should wait until he is convicted of something before everyone piles on any further.
He sure has been chosen as the Fall Guy , hasn't he? He's a wonderful lightning conductor away from a bunch of American and International wealthy men who were mixed up in this, none of whom have been brought to account.
Full disclosure I can't stand the man but we'll be blaming him for the war in Ukraine next.
Also his staff and security details and staff who worked at the palaces who were always probably just doing as they were told to keep their jobs are now being dragged into this stuff that happened many years ago.
That shouldn't happen IMO.

I do think it's fair enough for staff who "knew" - even if it was years back - to have to deal with what they did in the course of doing those jobs.

I can understand if they were normal people that had innocently gone in for working for one of these awful characters and then realised they were in the middle of inadvertently assisting that sort of person - but they could have done the moral thing and lined themselves up to leave their positions as best possible (ie ideally leaving immediately if their finances weren't going to be smashed by it). Obviously easier to have noticed in advance that a job was morally dicey at some level and never ask for it or take it in the first place (yep....I know even that costs personally - been there/done that/stayed unemployed for longer as a result).

So I don't excuse them - "If you contribute to it = you're part of the problem" has always been my take on doing immoral jobs.

Re Ghislaine herself and the jury is still out on whether it is actually her in prison - there are photos of her going the rounds and being compared to the woman in prison stating they are two different people and (looking at those photos) = I wouldnt care to swear one way or the other on that point. It may be her....it may not be.....the nose certainly looks very different.....so I wouldnt like to say....

The Australians have apparently made a decision.

Just what has Andrew been found guilty of?
When was the trial?
What was the verdict?
How long did it take to find an impartial jury?

nanna8

I suppose whilst the media go after him it deflects views from the Americans who were heavily involved. Though why the British press don’t see this, who knows ?

Americans had nothing to do with Andrew's ten year public appointment as a British trade envoy around the world at taxpayer expense. It's alleged business/financial/ insider trading/ misbehaviour in that role, which triggered the debate in this thread's title.

There are rules and required standards of ethics and integrity in UK public appointments, and consequences for their dereliction.

This is NOT just about sexual procurement (horrible though that is).

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Hunros

Just what has Andrew been found guilty of?
When was the trial?
What was the verdict?
How long did it take to find an impartial jury?

Is this a serious question?

Great post *Labradora^.

I was beginning to wonder if there'd been a trial and I'd missed it too Hunros.

What he is already guilty of as a senior royal is a long term friendship with someone who first was apprehended in 2006 and later was a convicted paedophile. A then went on national TV and lied. Both these things are enough on their own to banish him from the royal family. The further issues that have led to the arrest and then other issues under investigation are to be determined. But as things stand, he is guilty of not being fit to hold any rank or status in our society

Witzend

I can hardly believe I read that they’re ‘considering’ it. Yes, I know it will take an Act of Parliament, but to be ‘considering’ it - why don’t they just get on and DO it? How many MPs would actually vote against it?

Because in UK, changes in Law follow a fixed procedure that passes through two Houses opf Parliament and MP's of a dozen different political parties representing four distinct countries.

It's not a one-stop shop.

Smileless2012

Great post *Labradora^.

I was beginning to wonder if there'd been a trial and I'd missed it too Hunros.

Who needs a trial when for some, the decision has already been made?

I do wonder whether those already knitting would be so keen to forego a trial if it was their possible crime on the front page.
But safe in the anonymity of GN, they don’t have to worry about that.

nanna8

I suppose whilst the media go after him it deflects views from the Americans who were heavily involved. Though why the British press don’t see this, who knows ?

The British are more interested in investigating crimes committed by Brits who are subject to British laws and courts.

Because there's nothing we can do about the legal system in USA ( distorted by Donald Trump) or crimes committed by Americans outside UK jurisdiction.

No official trial yet, but he has been very publicly caught out in lies about his friendship with an actual convicted paedophile.

As has his ex-wife

Maremia

No official trial yet, but he has been very publicly caught out in lies about his friendship with an actual convicted paedophile.

Strange how the A apologists seem to think lying on national TV doesn’t make you guilty of anything

Now that 2 civil servants have claimed they were forced to sign off Andrews expenses claims for Massage Services while serving 😂 as the uk trade envoy I wonder if many more will be brave enough 🤷‍♀️

Where’s the Audit Commission in all of this? Couldn’t Andrew be made to refund unauthorised expenses back to the awarding body?

I'm not seeing any A apologists Tuliptree simply posters who believe in our legal system that means someone is innocent until proven guilty.

Can’t see the point. He won’t ever be king.

petra

Now that 2 civil servants have claimed they were forced to sign off Andrews expenses claims for Massage Services while serving 😂 as the uk trade envoy I wonder if many more will be brave enough 🤷‍♀️

Was there no-one who had the courage to just say NO to this man?

Smileless2012

I'm not seeing any A apologists Tuliptree simply posters who believe in our legal system that means someone is innocent until proven guilty.

Yes, innocent until found guilty in a court of law, as opposed to trial by media and social media 👍

Tuliptree

Hunros

Just what has Andrew been found guilty of?
When was the trial?
What was the verdict?
How long did it take to find an impartial jury?

Is this a serious question?

I find it a serious one.

Witzend

I can hardly believe I read that they’re ‘considering’ it. Yes, I know it will take an Act of Parliament, but to be ‘considering’ it - why don’t they just get on and DO it? How many MPs would actually vote against it?

I would also suggest removing Mandelsons lord ship. Can be done has been done. After all he is higher in the pecking order than Andrew, with regards to state security and secrets. Even JRM and Black Belt Barrister are wondering why he has not been arrested . Cover up methinks. How is he not getting villified, the whole thing stinks to high heaven. Easier to go after Anrew.

So, does someone in line for the throne have to have done something illegal to lose their place in the succession line?

I think it took more than courage, to say 'no'. I think they would have been putting their careers on the line, and possibly then still ignored.

I think Mandelson will lose his title.