Government ‘considers’ removing Andrew from line of succession.

He's probably not quite that lacking in intelligence that he'd be up the creek without a paddle...

Remember he can put an end to all this speculation by simply cooperating with the police and all ongoing enquiries here and abroad. But he won’t, partly because he is so blinded by his stupidity, sense of entitlement and his belief therefore that normal rules of life don’t apply to him. And where did that come from? A family whip round of £12m, blind eyes turned at best ( and complicity at worst) to unacceptable behaviour over the years. And this culture of deference amongst so many , not just palace officials, but public officials who came into contact with him. It’s ironic in a way that what may ultimately diminish ( sadly not bring down) this monarchy nonsense is this deference. A bit less deference and a bit more putting firmly into line could have prevented at least his worst excesses.

I do think and hope that those responsible are mindful for his mental health.

The pressure must be absolutely tremendous, and he is experiencing everything under full public gaze.

Yes and I do know that the victims have also been through far worse.

But we must not loose our humanity.

eazybee

I thought it rather petty when the Police called to check his gun licences and I believe, confiscated his guns.

Perhaps they were taking preventive measures.

The guns weren't confiscated, restrictions were put on the use of them.

OldFrill

eazybee

I thought it rather petty when the Police called to check his gun licences and I believe, confiscated his guns.

Perhaps they were taking preventive measures.

The guns weren't confiscated, restrictions were put on the use of them.

The police are following the book - they absolutely must.

OldFrill

eazybee

I thought it rather petty when the Police called to check his gun licences and I believe, confiscated his guns.

Perhaps they were taking preventive measures.

The guns weren't confiscated, restrictions were put on the use of them.

I can’t help wondering what restrictions?

‘You can keep them as long as you’re not going to top yourself.’

‘As if I would, Officer!’

‘OK, then.’

Whitewavemark2

I do think and hope that those responsible are mindful for his mental health.

The pressure must be absolutely tremendous, and he is experiencing everything under full public gaze.

For goodness - being found out is generally not good for anyone’s mental health. Lemonjam very helpfully detailed all the ways DPs are protected - for once in his useless life he’s probably been treated at the standard applied to us lesser mortals if we were in that situation. Being arrested/ charged/ under investigation can and often must be very stressful - if you’re well known either nationally or in your local community it could be even harder. But there’s no answer to this is there ? It just goes with the territory . It’s up to his sainted family to have another whip round to give him some counselling or get him prescribed dome anti- depressants. Cheaper than paying off a woman who took her own life .

It would save us all a lot of trouble!!!

Witzend

OldFrill

eazybee

I thought it rather petty when the Police called to check his gun licences and I believe, confiscated his guns.

Perhaps they were taking preventive measures.

The guns weren't confiscated, restrictions were put on the use of them.

I can’t help wondering what restrictions?

‘You can keep them as long as you’re not going to top yourself.’

‘As if I would, Officer!’

‘OK, then.’

Perhaps fratricide was more of a concern.

Witzend

Amatxi

At 8th in line it's all a bit irrelevant.
I do feel he is a bit of an r.......h...e but what happened to innocent till proven guilty? How come certain Americans, mentioned more thsn 30k times in files are not arrested? Clearly UK and US ideas of morality snd justice are differrnt

Yes, the question I keep asking myself is, how come no famous/wealthy/eminent Americans are yet named, or being required to give evidence? The only person in prison, AFAIK, (of course not counting JE who died there) is Ghislaine.

The fact is, the Yanks absolutely ‘love to hate’ a Bad Brit (why else are Brits often cast as the baddies in films?) and of course a Royal Brit to heap censure on is even better.

Of course Andrew has been as dodgy as hell, I’m certainly not making excuses, but where are the famous Yanks - or indeed any others - who also enjoyed Jeffrey Epstein’s ‘favours’ in the form of young female flesh?

Andrew is now under UK police ( criminal) investigation for "misconduct in public office". Alleged financial misconduct/ insider dealing during the 10 years he was appointed as the UK's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment. This is what triggered the " remove him from line of succession" being discussed in UK and this thread

There is no connection between the above, and what America 's legal and criminal system does in relation to US citizens regarding the Epstein sex scandal.

Whitewavemark2

I do think and hope that those responsible are mindful for his mental health.

The pressure must be absolutely tremendous, and he is experiencing everything under full public gaze.

Save your MH sympathy for Guiffre, who committed suicide

Amatxi

At 8th in line it's all a bit irrelevant.
I do feel he is a bit of an r.......h...e but what happened to innocent till proven guilty? How come certain Americans, mentioned more thsn 30k times in files are not arrested? Clearly UK and US ideas of morality snd justice are differrnt

No Americans spent 10 years as UK's Special Representative for International Trade and Investment. Andrew did, his alleged misconduct in State-related business/finance during that period, is what triggered the arrest, searches, and ongoing criminal investigation.

butterandjam

Whitewavemark2

I do think and hope that those responsible are mindful for his mental health.

The pressure must be absolutely tremendous, and he is experiencing everything under full public gaze.

Save your MH sympathy for Guiffre, who committed suicide

...or did she?

I read her book and one of the things she said latterly was "If anyone says I've committed suicide - don't believe them...because I won't be doing that" or words to that affect.

So I'm not inclined to believe it was suicide - even though she went on to marry a wife-batterer. Add in the fact that she had children - and therefore parental responsibilities to fulfil (not that that stops some people - but it would stop others).

I have never believed in her suicide. Just too convenient wasn’t it ? Same applies to that dreadful Epstein man - he knew too much. Who, though ? CIA, MI5 or someone in the American government? We will never know , or want to know, come to that.

Whitewavemark2

Just imagine that some very peculiar disaster took out the first 7 in line.

Can you honestly imagine that anyone would accept Windsor as the King.

Of course not!

So just do it without fuss or bother. Who on earth cares?

The whole country SHOULD care, (Monarchists and Republicans), because "line of descent " is the critical be-all and end-all of Monarchy .

If demand by the populace and Parliament disrupts the line of descent , it would be a massive shift in British history.

Yes, which is why this whole thing is such a disaster for the monarchy.

Whitewavemark2

I do think and hope that those responsible are mindful for his mental health.

The pressure must be absolutely tremendous, and he is experiencing everything under full public gaze.

I can't feel any sympathy for him. Yes, we should be mindful of people's mental health but, if allegations were true, he has never been mindful of anyone else's feelings throughout his life.

If I am to feel mindful about the mental health of anyone, it would be William and Catherine who have been through a lot recently and, whenever they go out on public duties, are bombarded with questions about Uncle Andrew.

The last time the line the Succession to the Crown Act was changed by and act of Parliament was 2013 to restore individuals previously excluded because they married a catholic- plus ended male primogenitor under which a younger son can displace an elder daughter in the line of succession. Modernisation long needed.

In all the circumstances, in the public interest, as AMW has already been stripped of all royal titles already and because there is provision to do so, it seems logical to displace him as an individual in the line of succession. The process will take some time though, plus would need to be supported by the 14 Commonwealth countries, as other posters have already said.

The process seen to be done and in due course achieved, in my view, would assist the monarchy separate from AMW as an individual- ie a good thing not a disastrous thing.

It needs to happen whatever the outcome of what is happening at present.

LemonJam

The process seen to be done and in due course achieved, in my view, would assist the monarchy separate from AMW as an individual- ie a good thing not a disastrous thing.

Frankly it is impossible to separate AMW from the RF.

His behaviour, and concealment by the RF simply would not have happened if he was not part of the RF. His access to and subsequent apparent working against the national interest could never have happened.

MT62

If he’s innocent, why strip him of any titles? Also if he’s innocent why pay VG 12 million?
If I had been PA, & innocent, I would have stuck to my guns & refused to pay any money.

She was paid to drop a civil court action against him in USA, under the Child Protection Act

Otherwise VG would have had her day in court with the cross examination Of VG and her testimony under oath, plastered across the world .

I think a lot of very rich men around the world would have paid to stop that happening; and maybe they did?

As for who paid 12 million, "The queen" might just be the safest person to name and blame.

Charles - it is said- also tipped up the odd 5 million.

Phillip paid one million £ a year after he died !