Green councillor gets grandkids to send Valentine cards to immigrants at Crowburgh

Sorry Daisy, but I think you’re flogging a dead horse. Valentine’s Day absolutely represents romantic love to the vast majority.
We waited outside of Glasgow Central station yesterday morning for our son. I was driving my husband and our son to the rugby.
As we waited, we observed a young man of perhaps 19 or 20 years, holding a box of chocolates and a bunch of roses. He looked uncomfortable, scanned up and down Hope Street. I said to my husband, “oh, look. Please don’t let him down”. It absolutely is still seen as representing romantic love to young people.

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I’m not seeing prejudice at all.

I absolutely welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is because of it,

Children delivering cards on a day commonly associated with romantic love to young men is not appropriate.

Basgetti

Sorry Daisy, but I think you’re flogging a dead horse. Valentine’s Day absolutely represents romantic love to the vast majority.
We waited outside of Glasgow Central station yesterday morning for our son. I was driving my husband and our son to the rugby.
As we waited, we observed a young man of perhaps 19 or 20 years, holding a box of chocolates and a bunch of roses. He looked uncomfortable, scanned up and down Hope Street. I said to my husband, “oh, look. Please don’t let him down”. It absolutely is still seen as representing romantic love to young people.

How lovely!
I was out shopping on Friday and so many men were browsing the Valentine’s Day section and carefully choosing cards, flowers and chocolates. It most definitely is a very romantic gesture to a loved one or an indication that they have a secret admirer.

RosiesMawagain

In view of recent prosecutions of migrant sexual attacks on teenage girls (yes I know it’s not all of them) I would worry this was sending totally the wrong message.

I completely agree.

I don’t think this misguided woman intended for this to happen and clearly doesn’t understand how easily this message could be misunderstood.

Why a welcome card and some cakes could not suffice I don’t know.

Did you of course know that 85% of flowers are bought on Valentines Day by men! Romantic red roses symbolise carnal desire and intense passion.

Cumbrianmale56

The Greens, like Reform, contain some strange people. Locally I wouldn't vote for them as they are anti nuclear, which would devastate the local economy, but they have cranky people like this councillor and a leader who thinks legalising hard drugs will solve the drugs problem. To me they are a party I'd advise people to be very careful about voting for, and would advise voters on the left to either stick with Labour or vote Lib Dem.

I think ALL of our political parties contain “some” odd people.

If I didn’t support the party I support, I’d far rather give my vote to Green or Libs than Tories or Reform.

I think this women is misguided, not her entire party!

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

Basgetti

I’m not seeing prejudice at all.

I absolutely welcome immigration. Our nation is what it is because of it,

Children delivering cards on a day commonly associated with romantic love to young men is not appropriate.

Totally agree with every word of that.

I doubt whether she went anywhere near the migrants with Valentines cards on Saturday. The press would have been out in full force to snap her and her grandchildren. It's not as if the party would look like the usual type of visitor!

Cossy

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

I see this as a reasoned opinion that people may agree or disagree with, extend and/or discuss. But when posts start lumping entire cultures, religions or age groups together and implying they don’t share basic moral standards, that crosses into harmful stereotyping and prejudice. We can criticise actions without collectively condemning whole groups of people.

Basgetti

Sorry Daisy, but I think you’re flogging a dead horse. Valentine’s Day absolutely represents romantic love to the vast majority.
We waited outside of Glasgow Central station yesterday morning for our son. I was driving my husband and our son to the rugby.
As we waited, we observed a young man of perhaps 19 or 20 years, holding a box of chocolates and a bunch of roses. He looked uncomfortable, scanned up and down Hope Street. I said to my husband, “oh, look. Please don’t let him down”. It absolutely is still seen as representing romantic love to young people.

Yes! that's it in a nutshell of how Valentine's Day is celebrated HERE in Britain, an age old tradition that has been with us for centuries, which like everything else nowadays has a commercial element to it. It's a day dedicated to romantic love, that's how it resonates with the vast majority. If it's transitioned into something else, it's because of the desire to emulate America's take on it, which is quite distinct from ours. Their Valentine day appears to have morphed into some homespun whimsy that has become embedded in their culture.

By the way, just in case anyone construes that as being anti American, I'm not, I've been there many times, I think it's a great place, but we don't have to follow them like sheep and appropriate their take on a day that has been celebrated here in a different way.

DaisyAnneReturns

Cossy

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

I see this as a reasoned opinion that people may agree or disagree with, extend and/or discuss. But when posts start lumping entire cultures, religions or age groups together and implying they don’t share basic moral standards, that crosses into harmful stereotyping and prejudice. We can criticise actions without collectively condemning whole groups of people.

And you were very prejuduced in your comment about public school boys, which a couple of us have had no answer to when this was pulled up by us!
It works both ways.

MartavTaurus

Did you of course know that 85% of flowers are bought on Valentines Day by men! Romantic red roses symbolise carnal desire and intense passion.

That statistic doesn’t really establish your point. Even if most flowers are bought by men and red roses can symbolise passion, that doesn’t mean every Valentine’s gesture carries a carnal implication, especially when it’s clearly contextual, like children welcoming newcomers.

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

That's a good point! I forgot to give my beloved dog a Valentines Card!! Off to source a Boneo for him. 🐕

MartavTaurus

DaisyAnneReturns

Cossy

DaisyAnneReturns

I'm not saying it wasn't and isn't "Basgetti". It was and still is but it also covers lots of other areas.

It certainly doesn't warrant the prejudice we can see on this thread.

I do agree with re the Valentine thingie now representing love of all kinds, not just carnal lust, bit I do think this woman chose the wrong way to send her welcome message!

I see this as a reasoned opinion that people may agree or disagree with, extend and/or discuss. But when posts start lumping entire cultures, religions or age groups together and implying they don’t share basic moral standards, that crosses into harmful stereotyping and prejudice. We can criticise actions without collectively condemning whole groups of people.

And you were very prejuduced in your comment about public school boys, which a couple of us have had no answer to when this was pulled up by us!
It works both ways.

I was. But that is just my point. They're the ones I felt I should avoid, because of my lived experience. But not all of them should tarred with the same brush.

Some on here are not even using lived experience as their base-line, which we all know can be flawed and biased. They are simply following the rhetoric of others.

My apologies for not replying earlier - I have a life that sometimes takes precedence over GN!

And what do we make of people who don't discuss but make thinly veiled personal attacks MartavTaurus?

Sorry the above should be to ViceVersa!

DaisyAnneReturns

And what do we make of people who don't discuss but make thinly veiled personal attacks MartavTaurus?

Indeed

DaisyAnneReturns

And what do we make of people who don't discuss but make thinly veiled personal attacks MartavTaurus?

MartavTaurus

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

That's a good point! I forgot to give my beloved dog a Valentines Card!! Off to source a Boneo for him. 🐕

He's sulking now. He thought he was your one true love ❣

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

Some people feel that prejudice should be called out. It far too dangerous to let it fester.

MartavTaurus

I doubt whether she went anywhere near the migrants with Valentines cards on Saturday. The press would have been out in full force to snap her and her grandchildren. It's not as if the party would look like the usual type of visitor!

That's a very good point.

Although, if she didn't want the publicity, why would she announce it beforehand?

"Look at me, what a kind and welcoming person I am❣"

DaisyAnneReturns

ViceVersa

Some people are just like a dog with a bone...

Some people feel that prejudice should be called out. It far too dangerous to let it fester.

Prejudice against what others believe St Valentine's Day means?

I don't feel deep sorrow, anger, or any other strong emotions about how some traditions lose their meanings over the years, but I do think it's a pity.
Valentine cards - often sent anonymously to someone a person loved from afar or from one partner to another.
Hallowe'en - pumpkins, guising, apple bobbing,
Christmas? I won't even start!!

Everything has become so commercialised now.