I deplore Jim Ratcliffe's words. (owner of Man U)

LemonJam

I’d reply to you if your post actually made sense.

Kandinsky, I wonder why you were so unkind about Labradora's comment about her grandmother. It is more than likely that she spoke Gaelic , not English and life in County Cork was not quite the same as in Urban Uk. Thousands of people in County Cork emigrated to the US.
Best to check your facts .

westendgirl

Coming to the UK from Southern Ireland is not the same. Irish culture is the same as ours. If you think Irish immigrants are exactly the same as…..for example, immigrants from Somalia, then this thread is even more ridiculous than I thought.

Kadinsky18.43- I posted in response to your 18.34 post responding to M655's posted photo and your posed the following question " What are your thoughts about latest news item about the terrorist convictions:

Here's my post again: "MG55 posted the message outside MUFC- a great sentiment and clear message to Jim Radcliffe when he visits..

Kadinsky See 15.57 post regarding those terrorists- not sure what they have to do with Jim Radcliffe or MUFC. Surely you are not suggesting all legal immigrants and asylum seekers are terrorists- crikey? You infer however some connection between those three terrorists and legal and/or illegal immigrants to the UK- but do not explain what link you see. Do you care to explain?"

If you can see any sense in my response not to worry. I've already posted my views, you asked MG55 her views but are you not willing to share your views??

petra

Opal

Visit any big city in the UK - colonies, communities, no go areas, or whatever you want to call them, are in EVERY SINGLE ONE. Proof enough for me.

Rubbish 🤦🏼‍♀️ I know my city very well ( Southend on sea) I can assure you that we have no no go areas.

Which is why I said "big" city - i.e. London, Birmingham, Manchester, Leicester.

I know Southend - it ain't a big one

Kadinsky- there was a time "No Irish, no Blacks, No Dogs" in ads renting properties etc were common in England so very racist and unkind. imho -your response to Labradora was somewhat dismissive and unkind, her point being she was agreeing that we are all immigrants, some of our families longer than others. Labrador made her point that a British citizen is a British citizen and all British citizens should be treated equally. She said "it's ok to hold these opinions and they can be part of a considered discussions unfortunately they tend to provoke extremism".

LemonJam

Opal- every city has 'communities' as do all villages and towns. 'Colonies of immigrants' though in every city- really!!?? What do you actually mean by a colony of immigrants anyway?

LemonJam - definition of colony : a group of people with shared interests, occupations, religions or nationalities living in a particular area.

Kandinsky, what does "Coming to the UK from Southern Ireland is not the same " mean. Not the same as what.?
I was taught by someone from Southern Ireland who spoke Gaelic, who talked about cutting peat for the fire and about children not having shoes.It really does depend when Grandma came here. It's interesting where I live as there are quite a lot of Irish people living in the same area. They have been here for many year and may have come to work on the railway. There is also a Polish sector , as many came over after the second world war. They have their own church and the children , who are bi lingual , go to Saturday school.I think it is quite natural to want to be with those who speak your language , know your customs while you are getting used to life in a different country.

I should have added that we all get on.

He is pointing out a sad reality. The rate of influx and lack of need to take on the receiving country's habits and language have turned some areas as foreign as parts of UK must have felt when the Normans first arrived. The UK will continue to exist but lets not pretend it is the country as was in the 1950 - 2000 period. Those who are outraged by his views may not have been in shops where the staff have never had an English speaking customer, and cannot serve them.

Opal 19.32 -is it a problem for you if people with shared interests, occupations, religions or nationalities live in a particular area in any town or city as in your definition?

When I googled Radcliffes word yesterday i.e that the uk had specifically been “colonised” by immigrants I got the definition of colonised as a process of establishing control over areas or peoples for foreign people to advance their trade, cultivation, exploitation and possible settlement”. Ie like Britain did in when it invaded foreign territories with the aim to establish and expand the British Colonies and promote slave trade, exploit the indigenous people etc. That’s why so many criticised his remarks.

westendgirl

I understand what you’re saying.
But my point is ( and btw, my parents came to England from Southern Ireland in 1950 ) Irish immigrants speak English. I have a massive extended family both here and in Ireland and every single one of them speak English. ( as well as Gaelic )
Ireland is a Christian country ( ok mostly Catholic but you know what I mean )
Their way of life is not that different to ours, no different I’d say.

What you said here:

I was taught by someone from Southern Ireland who spoke Gaelic, who talked about cutting peat for the fire and about children not having shoes.It really does depend when Grandma came here.

You could be talking about someone from Scotland there.

Anyway, I’m starting to feel like I’m banging my head against a brick wall so I’ll leave you to it.

....and the latest news is that only about an hour ago a new political party has been formed. That being "Restore Britain" - has literally just been officially founded by Rupert Lowe.

Now this should be interesting - to say the least. He says it's going to be launched across the country - and I think he does mean the whole country - not just England. I've only got as far to date as quick ask myself whether I'd stand for it - and quick conclusion - possibly yes if I lived in one of our larger cities, bit of a chance if I lived in my own city, living in West or North Wales (ie I'm in West Wales) = I'd have concerns about doing so personally...

Time will tell how this is going to go - other than it is clearly going to get quite a bit of support I would think....

If they merged we would have the Advance, Reform and Restore Party. ARRS for short.

Whitewavemark2

Ratcliffe has admitted his comments were racist and cause for division in our society.

All those who agree with Ratcliffe - ergo ………………..

That is how bad racism is in this country.

He didn’t admit anything of the sort.

Here is his apology.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd6zvlywz77o

Here is Pep Guardiola. What a sensible response.
news.sky.com/video/pep-guardiola-reacts-to-sir-jim-ratcliffes-immigrants-comment-13507311

MG55

Kandinsky

MG55
Re/. Your photo.
What are your thoughts on this latest news item?

Two men who planned to target the Jewish community in Manchester in what police said could have been "the UK's most deadly terror attack" have been jailed for life.
Walid Saadaoui, 38, and Amar Hussein, 52, arranged for guns to be smuggled into the UK as part of an "Isis-inspired plot", Preston Crown Court heard.
They were caught by an undercover operative who played a "crucial role" in foiling their plans, Greater Manchester Police said.

It is a very worrying situation and thank goodness the police picked up on it.
Hate of any group of people is untenable 🙁

Hate, we can live with ( and do) this was going to be an all out attack using different guns, assault rifles.The death toll would have been very high, they intended going after old, young, women as well as men and said if they got some Christians as well it would be a bonus.

Casdon It was Starmer himself who used the phrase “island of strangers”.

Primrose53

Here is his apology.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd6zvlywz77o

I would have preferred him not to apologise at all, he’s entitled to his opinion.
Incidentally regarding tax, do you know how much he’s paid over the many years here in the UK? Neither do I but it must be more than all of us put together have paid over the years.
He’s in his seventies now so if he never pays in a penny more he will have done his bit.

Primrose53

Casdon It was Starmer himself who used the phrase “island of strangers”.

That’s true!

Oreo and Kadinsky- what has this "isis inspired terrorist plot" got to do with Jim Radcliffe's recent comments about UK being "colonised by immigrants"?

Primrose53

Casdon It was Starmer himself who used the phrase “island of strangers”.

Yes, and your point is?

Casdon:' If they merged we would have the Advance, Reform and Restore Party. ARRS for short" - very funny 🤣.

Casdon

If they merged we would have the Advance, Reform and Restore Party. ARRS for short.

Add in the Olés - the Spanish Costas contingent headed up by Yaxley Lennon and his thugs and what do you have?