I deplore Jim Ratcliffe's words. (owner of Man U)

….and that’s fine, we are all different.

LemonJam

Opal "I agree with everything he said"
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Menopauselbithc 17.55: 'Me too"

I don't agree with what he said.

I don't either.

Opal "I agree with everything he said"
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Menopauselbithc 17.55: 'Me too"

I don't agree with what he said.

Opal

I agree with everything he said.

Me too

CariadAgain

Check.....still living in Britain - correct.

What has that got to do with call to prayer in New York. You know New York isn't in Britain.

CariadAgain 15.00 "Maximum decibel limit for "call to prayer" depends on local authority - and will not be allowed to exceed 70 decibels".

NO not 70 decibels- I corrected my typo- the limit is 10 (TEN) decibels- MUCH LESS. Anything above that noise limit or any Adan's outside the times allowed, as in every circumstance, Mosque, church, Night club, early am dustbin men ( this is not an immigrant issue in itself) New York residents should make their complaint to the authorities for noise abatement action.

Check.....still living in Britain - correct.

CariadAgain

"Most" people?

That would be why I spent literally years being woken and the like by early morning aircraft flights from the nearest airport that had started up subsequent to my buying my last house......

....and was still being disturbed days later by adjacent neighbour playing "silly B&s" at one point deliberately by not stopping mechanical noise that was coming through into my bedroom from his house and he finally got around to just "padding it around" and the noise stopped coming through.

If I searched I could probably readily find research I have read before about people living near motorways/other busy roads that tell everyone it doesn't bother them now - but recording how their sleep pattern is compared to a normal one shows they are indeed having worse sleep than others.

Lemonjam has kindly posted the times the call to prayer is permitted in New York. Between 12.30 and 1.30 on Fridays and sunset during Ramadan. I would imagine New York has plenty of noise at those times.
It is about equality, churches can ring bells mosques can have the call to prayer. The level of noise will vary with how close you are to the source but having stayed in a Muslim country close to a mosque I found it less intrusive than bells.

That would be why I spent literally years being woken and the like by early morning aircraft flights from the nearest airport that had started up subsequent to my buying my last house......

We lived near Heathrow at one time - when Concorde was flying!

this conversation sounds to be to be on a level with townspeople moving to the country and then complaining about cockerels crowing at dawn. and 'dawn' can be 3 o'clock in the morning in the summer.

I was thinking that it sounded like a towns person escaping to the country, an idyllic cottage next to the church then complaining when the bellringers practise.

Come to think of it, I haven't heard our church bells ringing for a long time, perhaps they can't find bellringers.
It's good exercise!

"Most" people?

That would be why I spent literally years being woken and the like by early morning aircraft flights from the nearest airport that had started up subsequent to my buying my last house......

....and was still being disturbed days later by adjacent neighbour playing "silly B&s" at one point deliberately by not stopping mechanical noise that was coming through into my bedroom from his house and he finally got around to just "padding it around" and the noise stopped coming through.

If I searched I could probably readily find research I have read before about people living near motorways/other busy roads that tell everyone it doesn't bother them now - but recording how their sleep pattern is compared to a normal one shows they are indeed having worse sleep than others.

this conversation sounds to be to be on a level with townspeople moving to the country and then complaining about cockerels crowing at dawn. and 'dawn' can be 3 o'clock in the morning in the summer.

As it started from a US person objecting to the Muslim call to prayer we might recall that the US is not a 'Christian country' (unlike Britain which officially is) but is multicultural and has no 'official' religion, the US Constitution specifically emphasising its secular nature, I don't find Cariad's argument particularly appropriate.

In my experience most people seem to adapt to the environmental 'noises' in the area in which they live and are able to sleep though anything...

Checked for other 70 decibel noises and some examples given were:
- vacuum cleaner
- spin cycle on washing machine
- multiple conversations at a time in a busy office
- hairdryer on low setting

But the above are all necessity noise - probably originating from the person hearing it themselves.

Maximum decibel limit for "call to prayer" depends on local authority - and will not be allowed to exceed 70 decibels.

Oreo

There is a church very near me and the earliest I have ever heard bells is for the 8 a.m service.
I don’t live near a mosque so can’t say how loud or at what early time.
There are plenty of mosques in Birmingham Bradford or Bolton I should think. Somebody will know about noise and time.

Yep....somebody does know. I posted the times at 11.10am, 18 February.

There is a church very near me and the earliest I have ever heard bells is for the 8 a.m service.
I don’t live near a mosque so can’t say how loud or at what early time.
There are plenty of mosques in Birmingham Bradford or Bolton I should think. Somebody will know about noise and time.

CariadAgain

The phrase "thin end of the wedge" is coming to mind or, alternatively, "softly softly catchee monkey".

Reading the whole message I gave - I included those 6am churchbells are ONCE A YEAR. I also included making it plain that our country is a Christian one and the churchbells are from a Christian church.

I doubt many/if any people are bothered about once a year having a church express our country's faith.

You can be sure if what you like but I can assure you I wouldn't want to be listening to church bells at 6 am. When my children were babies I'd have been furious at the being disturbed.

You also referred to every single day being an issue but as has now been explained to you the call to prayer isn't every day and isn't at unreasonable hours.

The phrase "thin end of the wedge" is coming to mind or, alternatively, "softly softly catchee monkey".

Reading the whole message I gave - I included those 6am churchbells are ONCE A YEAR. I also included making it plain that our country is a Christian one and the churchbells are from a Christian church.

I doubt many/if any people are bothered about once a year having a church express our country's faith.

LemonJam

foxie48 Wed 18-Feb-26 11:02:04 "It was the start of Ramadan yesterday which may have been a factor, signalling the start of fasting".

You could be right Foxie48. I've just googled New York City guidelines, implemented August 2023, reading Mosque broadcasting calls to prayer ( The Adhan) . The NYC regulations allow mosques to publicly broadcast the Adhan on Fridays and during the month of Ramadan without obtaining a special permit. The policy was introduced by Mayor Adams in 2023 to ensure equal treatment for all houses of worship as churches and temples were not required to get permits for bells etc.

The authorised times for the Adhan are Fridays between 12.30pm and 1.30pm as well as daily sunset during Ramadan. Decibel levels allowed specifically must not exceed 1.30pm as well as daily at sunset during Ramadan.

For every day, non Ramadan and non Friday afternoon calls to prayer, standard NYC noise regulations still apply, which generally limits amplified sound to reasonable, non disturbing limits.

Just like in the UK, if any neighbour, organisation, individual or local business, place of worship, nightclub, disco , music venue contravenes local noise regulations and causes you a nuisance the answer if to record it and evidence and make a complaint to the council/government office to deal with the nuisance.

Thanks for giving us the facts rather than the hyped up version. I can't imagine that once a week between 12.30 and 1.30 and sunset during Ramadan is going to be a huge issue.

Cariads 6am church bells would be more of an issue.

CarriedAgain “what country are you in, I’m guessing Australia”

If that question was for me, then no I am in the UK

Must not exceed 10 decibels- typo.

foxie48 Wed 18-Feb-26 11:02:04 "It was the start of Ramadan yesterday which may have been a factor, signalling the start of fasting".

You could be right Foxie48. I've just googled New York City guidelines, implemented August 2023, reading Mosque broadcasting calls to prayer ( The Adhan) . The NYC regulations allow mosques to publicly broadcast the Adhan on Fridays and during the month of Ramadan without obtaining a special permit. The policy was introduced by Mayor Adams in 2023 to ensure equal treatment for all houses of worship as churches and temples were not required to get permits for bells etc.

The authorised times for the Adhan are Fridays between 12.30pm and 1.30pm as well as daily sunset during Ramadan. Decibel levels allowed specifically must not exceed 1.30pm as well as daily at sunset during Ramadan.

For every day, non Ramadan and non Friday afternoon calls to prayer, standard NYC noise regulations still apply, which generally limits amplified sound to reasonable, non disturbing limits.

Just like in the UK, if any neighbour, organisation, individual or local business, place of worship, nightclub, disco , music venue contravenes local noise regulations and causes you a nuisance the answer if to record it and evidence and make a complaint to the council/government office to deal with the nuisance.

Thanks - SundownGirl -

- What country are you in? I'm guessing at Australia?

Must say I wonder if a lot of people are already scared of falling foul of whatever that recent law is....seeing some of the comments.

I shall carry right on as if we had that "freedom of speech" we used to have - and WILL get back again. I cba with being or saying I am "politically correct". I am what I am - and have always been. There is no such offence as blasphemy in Britain - even if they've literally just passed a (temporary) law about it to placate a vocal minority.

I've only noticed church bells being rung at an early hour once a year - ie at Christmas - and think it was 6 a.m. or so (ie not during the night). Once a year....when many of us are actually up...and in accordance with the British faith (which is Christianity) is not a big deal imo and not a problem to most of us. Literally every single day is most certainly a problem to anyone affected by it.

I'm remembering just how many people "did what they were told" only very recently for a while - ie 2020 onwards. So I guess I'm not surprised they're already "forgetting" what faith Britain has.

I'll remember the suggestion re reporting to the environmental health department if it ever becomes an issue - and hope it had staff there trying to do their job okay. Noise is noise - regardless of the source.

CarriedAgain - I would be very upset to be woken up at 5 o’clock in the morning by a mosque calling Muslims to prayer.
I’m sure church bells are not rung at this ungodly time.
In this country it would be considered a statutory nuisance if it falls in night hours between 11pm and 7am and you could report it to the environment health department.
I’m amazed at those posters who think this would be ok

Cariad 11.36- you said you had read a report this morning- where can we read the report you’ve read so we can see the detail and what the problem is? Or do you want to keep the report you read a secret?