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I don’t discriminate, but ….

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Cossy Fri 21-Aug-26 12:26:21

Why don’t people just admit that they do discriminate?

Really, I’m not racist, BUT……
I’m not homophobic, BUT …….

The BUT almost always means you are are what you are at pains to state you’re not.

There simply is no “but”.

In terms of Asylum Seekers, yet again I see, now it’s about housing.

Let’s be very clear, once “processed” and given both leave to remain and right to work, no Asylum Seeker magically jumps to the top of any social housing list.

Once given both leave to remain and right to work AS are granted exactly the same rights as anyone else living here, no more, no less.

They can apply for social housing, and be given the right to bid. Just like anyone else living here.

I see quite a lot about veterans and rough sleeping on here too.

Veterans, on the whole, have many charities dedicated just to them, this is how it should be. They also have dedicated provision paid for by government. There is a lot of help here in our country for veterans. However, they have to apply, they have to ask to access it, just like anyone else.

Rough sleeping is a really tough one to resolve, for so many reasons.

Firstly, there’s a large percentage of rough sleepers who have addictions, usually drugs and/or alcohol, and this can make them volatile and difficult to both handle and to find them acceptable accommodation.

We desparately need far more residential rehabs for these people. They simply cannot be housed whilst addicted.

Andy Burnham did a pretty good job in Manchester, but he’ll soon find out that it’s a different kettle of fish trying to resolve this countrywide.

He could start by addressing those houses in every county, up and down Britain, currently left empty 100% of the time.

We have so many issues he needs to address and it’s going to take time and shedloads of money to resolve these issues.

Whether you’re prepared to admit it or not, if the small boats suddenly stopped overnight and we deported all the remaining waiting to be processed, very little would actually change overnight, or even in the foreseeable future.

Austerity and massive cuts in services for 14 years have helped lead us to this place, coupled with Brexit and Covid. We have massive staff shortages in so many crucial areas.

We need to address the issues these things caused and are continuing to cause.

When you then add in things like hotter and hotter weather and unpredictable weather events worldwide, we will the see the effects of these in droughts and food production.

This is not the time to keep on blaming anyone “different” to ourselves for our own country’s and worldwide problems.

Now is time to unite and realise only by working together and supporting each other, along with possible rises in income tax, can we fund and get through all the things affecting this country and others.

I’m sure some of will have a, but……

That’s entirely your prerogative.
My post, is entirely mine! (IMHO)

Enjoy your day and have a peaceful weekend thanks

Galaxy Mon 24-Aug-26 11:37:01

I dont sit on the fence though, I try to challenge some of the slogans. If its fine to talk about all the wonderful things that immigrants do ( I am second generation) then it is worth recognising that applies to adults who vote reform. Diversity may seem a strength for some people, but for others, it really isnt. I also think not talking about the importance of speaking English is unkindness, I think the burqa is a form of misogyny every time I see it. I am not sure that is fence sitting.

Doodledog Mon 24-Aug-26 11:49:38

Well, my feelings about slogans are well-known grin. I challenge them too, but that is not the same thing as objecting to a grandmother trying to steer her granddaughter towards a more tolerant attitude.

Galaxy Mon 24-Aug-26 11:51:38

It is more the overall approach of calling posters racist or 'shane on you'. I find it completely reminiscent of the gender debate.

Galaxy Mon 24-Aug-26 11:52:00

Shame not Shane!!!

Oreo Mon 24-Aug-26 12:50:07

I completely agree Galaxy 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Oreo Mon 24-Aug-26 12:51:06

Controlled immigration is what we need and various past governments have let us down on this matter.

TerriBull Mon 24-Aug-26 12:52:11

No surprises to say I agree with you Galaxy, I usually do! grin

Prejudice comes in many forms, whilst, and quite rightly we shun such attitudes based on skin colour, ethnicity and sexual orientation. There's one that often rears it's head that goes unchallenged. Brainpower! or the perceived lack of it. I've actually seen it here on GN a suggestion that some people don't have enough of it to cast a vote, with a subliminal suggestion of, it's a shame they're allowed to do so. Precluding themselves of course from this unfortunate demographic lacking in grey matter.

Oreo Mon 24-Aug-26 12:56:59

Yes TerriBull I have seen that too on this forum, how those with no political education ( shudder) shouldn’t have a vote.

nanna8 Mon 24-Aug-26 12:58:07

Next they will suggest IQ tests before allowing some to vote. Now there’s an interesting idea ….You don’t need to be able to read and write, though, where I live but you get fined if you don’t vote.

Wyllow3 Mon 24-Aug-26 13:59:33

I cannot recall anyone saying someone should not be able to vote on those grounds? When? Don't just allege?

TerriBull Mon 24-Aug-26 14:11:14

Wyllow3

I cannot recall anyone saying someone should not be able to vote on those grounds? When? Don't just allege?

That wasn't directed at you, it's historical and it's cropped up under different guises.

Gran22boys Mon 24-Aug-26 14:19:35

MT62

That ok Cossy but what happens if I say I don’t want all these blokes coming on to our shores. Am a racist?
Are the whole of Piddington racist because they don’t want a migrant camp there?
It doesn’t bother me that they are black, brown, yellow or whatever but it’s their values that bother me they aren’t the same as ours & that is my only concern.

Agree wholeheartedly.

Doodledog Mon 24-Aug-26 14:20:03

Galaxy

It is more the overall approach of calling posters racist or 'shane on you'. I find it completely reminiscent of the gender debate.

And I have more than once argued that, too. This feels like a sudden shift though - we were talking about grandchildren and slogans.

Mollygo Mon 24-Aug-26 14:29:35

MT62
That ok Cossy but what happens if I say I don’t want all these blokes coming on to our shores. Am a racist?
*Are the whole of Piddington racist because they don’t want a migrant camp there?^

It doesn’t bother me that they are black, brown, yellow or whatever but it’s their values that bother me they aren’t the same as ours & that is my only concern.

Gran22boys
Agree wholeheartedly.
I agree too.
And equally, for those who are pro TW, it doesn’t bother me if people want to live their fantasy, but to claim I’m transphobic if I don’t want them in female spaces, sports, etc. is wrong.

Galaxy Mon 24-Aug-26 16:51:18

I think it is all part of the same thing doodledog, five minutes before that story it was shame on you. It is some sort of dividing into goodies and baddies. Some reform voters might express the exact same views as I have ( misogyny associated with the burqa and the absolute necessity of speaking english) but may express it in a slightly different way, a way that many don't approve of.

Galaxy Mon 24-Aug-26 16:52:08

And maybe it is fine to divide into goodies and baddies who knows.