They have to find their own way in their world, which is so different than ours was. Many of my adult daughter’s friends are entrepreneurs, as is one of mine. She’d been a primary school teacher but baby two confirmed the distance, traffic and long hours weren’t conducive with two small ones. She set up a business and five years later is doing ok and much happier than she would be cramming small children for sats
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Are White British Men somehow “disadvantaged”
(138 Posts)So, on another thread a male contributor raised a point about why he feels 1) Diversity and Equality laws have “gone too far and 2) why (in his opinion) White British Men support Reform.
I think we should explore this further as I’d like to understand why W.B.M. apparently feel this way and if Reform is the panacea for these feeling of what I can only describe as “WBM feeling somehow subjugated, oppressed, left our, ignored”
In my lifetime I’ve seen a lot of extremely positive changes made to all sorts of different lives and opportunities.
I don’t think “positive discrimination” was the answer, but can understand completely why this was used. Clearly, to me, this was used to ensure groups who might otherwise be overlooked were given opportunities to prove themselves.
Positive discrimination is rarely used now, especially in job application situations.
However, there is a box you can tick in England on any public sector role if you’re disabled. If said box is ticked, AND the applicant reaches the minimum level required, a guaranteed interview will be given. This will apply to EVERYONE, irrespective of colour/race/age and includes WBM.
Exactly what is it that Reform as specifically offering to White British Men and Women, that is different or special from any other political party?
In my own friendship group, I have no Reform supporters, nor have I heard W.B.M. complain or even comment that they’ve been “overlooked” at all in their personal or professional lives. Ditto those W.B.M. in our own immediate and extended family.
I have to admit, I was thoroughly shocked to read the line about women taking jobs that belong to men?
Let’s try and keep this pleasant please, but some opinions expressed around this entire topic have utterly dumbfounded me.
Apologies, I responded to MOnica, not that I don’t share your concerns MOnica. I mentioned daughters. I have no sons but I do have nephews 30-45 and grandsons three of them still in primary school.
The older group all got apprenticeships, we have a corgi approved plumber, a tiler and a chef. All doing nicely thanks. All from families with acedemics in them
I do worry about my three younger grandsons. Year 5 and 6 already worried about Sats and exams in relation to getting “a good job” if they don’t do well
I’m do feel we put too much pressure in our schools, too early. Both boys and girls exposed to this and to pressure from social media.
My white Australian grandson has been forced to obtain an unwanted British passport so now he is thinking he might go and work there for a few months. Would this passport give him permission ? Serious question. Is there short term work in finance available to white people ? He has a couple of degrees in commerce and science.
I assume he has dual nationality, in which case he has permission to work in the UK. The colour of his skin isn't relevant. The only issue is at the moment that jobs in some sectors and at certain levels are hard to find, but nobody will take any notice of his skin colour. I don't know why you should think otherwise. I hope you don't believe the propaganda which is being pumped out by some outlets.
nanna8
My white Australian grandson has been forced to obtain an unwanted British passport so now he is thinking he might go and work there for a few months. Would this passport give him permission ? Serious question. Is there short term work in finance available to white people ? He has a couple of degrees in commerce and science.
There are specialist recruitment agencies - probably the best way to secure short-term work like, maybe, fiscal-year ends or whatever staff shortages result in the need for temporary staff.
I continually hear about the recruitment agency on Classic FM - called "Indeed" - I think they have immediate-start roles, temporary jobs of all descriptions, including finance.
Then there's "Reed" a well-established agency which has all kinds of permanent and short term contract work which you can search for online.
But like Twaddle said - being white is irrelevant - he'll fit in with all the other white faces. Please tell us why you think there might not be such work available to white people - I am genuinely puzzled.
If you have a UK passport you can live work vote in the UK, many Aussies and Kiwis do, young and old. However the cost of living, particularly housing is higher here, and many of the low age jobs are done by migrants. So unless you have special skills, financially most are not going to be better off.
Then you have the climate ???
nanna8
My white Australian grandson has been forced to obtain an unwanted British passport so now he is thinking he might go and work there for a few months. Would this passport give him permission ? Serious question. Is there short term work in finance available to white people ? He has a couple of degrees in commerce and science.
When there was the discussion elsewhere about your grandchildren and British passports , many of us made the point that one plus of being entitled to British citizenship would be being able to live and work here freely and without restriction. The question is really about short term jobs in finance not colour of skin. But also the question is what has your grandson got to offer? Has he finance qualifications? Has he experience? I do find your concern about skin colour weird especially given that Australia is such a beacon of racial harmony and lack of discrimination.
David49 - we have other things to offer here - and just as we liked to find out about other places, other cultures, so do young people today.
A bit of cold and rain isn't going to put people off in my opinion.
nanna8
If he comes I'd advise him to apply at once for a National Insurance (NI) Number - the UK equivalent of an Australian Tax File Number (he can legally start working before).
And open a UK Bank Account maybe with say, with Monzo, Revolut, or Wise as traditional banks will probably need proof of address.
My niece says to put "UK passport holder" in bold at the top of his details and to translate grades ready for UK employers.
A quick internet search says Robert Walters, Michael Page, and Morgan McKinley are the best recruiters for this sort of work.
I suggests he looks them up and sees what he thinks - then contact them directly a couple of weeks before he comes over.
I think he will enjoy his time here.
NotSpaghetti
David49 - we have other things to offer here - and just as we liked to find out about other places, other cultures, so do young people today.
A bit of cold and rain isn't going to put people off in my opinion.
nanna8
If he comes I'd advise him to apply at once for a National Insurance (NI) Number - the UK equivalent of an Australian Tax File Number (he can legally start working before).
And open a UK Bank Account maybe with say, with Monzo, Revolut, or Wise as traditional banks will probably need proof of address.
My niece says to put "UK passport holder" in bold at the top of his details and to translate grades ready for UK employers.
A quick internet search says Robert Walters, Michael Page, and Morgan McKinley are the best recruiters for this sort of work.
I suggests he looks them up and sees what he thinks - then contact them directly a couple of weeks before he comes over.
I think he will enjoy his time here.
There’s lots of useful advice here and given how many young Australians come over, social media must be awash with advice, tips and guidance. Best advice though to him is not to come over with an existing chip on his shoulder that means if he doesn’t get a job it’ll be because he’s white.
Thanks so much NotSpaghetti I will pass the info on to him. He is a very personable young bloke and has a lot of public speaking experience in his current employment. He is thinking next year at this stage. His sisters are going over in a couple of weeks just for a holiday round Europe.
I think Nanna8 might have been joking? The UK has thousands of Australian and New Zealand young people working here either on visas or with a UK passport. They often use it as a base for further European travel. It's not about the colour of your skin it's whether you have the relevant skills and experience for our labour market.
foxie sometimes I just feel like being a bit norty 🧙♀️ I know my daughter and her husband had a good time working in London back in the day. They found it easy to get good jobs but that was in the nineties. Things were very ‘laid back’ then.
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