Are White British Men somehow “disadvantaged”

Surely it’s largely white boys from more deprived backgrounds, particularly if they have parents who don’t take an interest in their education.

foxie sometimes I just feel like being a bit norty 🧙‍♀️ I know my daughter and her husband had a good time working in London back in the day. They found it easy to get good jobs but that was in the nineties. Things were very ‘laid back’ then.

I think Nanna8 might have been joking? The UK has thousands of Australian and New Zealand young people working here either on visas or with a UK passport. They often use it as a base for further European travel. It's not about the colour of your skin it's whether you have the relevant skills and experience for our labour market.

Thanks so much NotSpaghetti I will pass the info on to him. He is a very personable young bloke and has a lot of public speaking experience in his current employment. He is thinking next year at this stage. His sisters are going over in a couple of weeks just for a holiday round Europe.

NotSpaghetti

David49 - we have other things to offer here - and just as we liked to find out about other places, other cultures, so do young people today.

A bit of cold and rain isn't going to put people off in my opinion.

nanna8
If he comes I'd advise him to apply at once for a National Insurance (NI) Number - the UK equivalent of an Australian Tax File Number (he can legally start working before).
​And open a UK Bank Account maybe with say, with Monzo, Revolut, or Wise as traditional banks will probably need proof of address.

My niece says to put "UK passport holder" in bold at the top of his details and to translate grades ready for UK employers.

A quick internet search says Robert Walters, Michael Page, and Morgan McKinley are the best recruiters for this sort of work.
I suggests he looks them up and sees what he thinks - then contact them directly a couple of weeks before he comes over.

I think he will enjoy his time here.

There’s lots of useful advice here and given how many young Australians come over, social media must be awash with advice, tips and guidance. Best advice though to him is not to come over with an existing chip on his shoulder that means if he doesn’t get a job it’ll be because he’s white.

David49 - we have other things to offer here - and just as we liked to find out about other places, other cultures, so do young people today.

A bit of cold and rain isn't going to put people off in my opinion.

nanna8
If he comes I'd advise him to apply at once for a National Insurance (NI) Number - the UK equivalent of an Australian Tax File Number (he can legally start working before).
​And open a UK Bank Account maybe with say, with Monzo, Revolut, or Wise as traditional banks will probably need proof of address.

My niece says to put "UK passport holder" in bold at the top of his details and to translate grades ready for UK employers.

A quick internet search says Robert Walters, Michael Page, and Morgan McKinley are the best recruiters for this sort of work.
I suggests he looks them up and sees what he thinks - then contact them directly a couple of weeks before he comes over.

I think he will enjoy his time here.

nanna8

My white Australian grandson has been forced to obtain an unwanted British passport so now he is thinking he might go and work there for a few months. Would this passport give him permission ? Serious question. Is there short term work in finance available to white people ? He has a couple of degrees in commerce and science.

When there was the discussion elsewhere about your grandchildren and British passports , many of us made the point that one plus of being entitled to British citizenship would be being able to live and work here freely and without restriction. The question is really about short term jobs in finance not colour of skin. But also the question is what has your grandson got to offer? Has he finance qualifications? Has he experience? I do find your concern about skin colour weird especially given that Australia is such a beacon of racial harmony and lack of discrimination.

If you have a UK passport you can live work vote in the UK, many Aussies and Kiwis do, young and old. However the cost of living, particularly housing is higher here, and many of the low age jobs are done by migrants. So unless you have special skills, financially most are not going to be better off.

Then you have the climate ???

nanna8

My white Australian grandson has been forced to obtain an unwanted British passport so now he is thinking he might go and work there for a few months. Would this passport give him permission ? Serious question. Is there short term work in finance available to white people ? He has a couple of degrees in commerce and science.

There are specialist recruitment agencies - probably the best way to secure short-term work like, maybe, fiscal-year ends or whatever staff shortages result in the need for temporary staff.

I continually hear about the recruitment agency on Classic FM - called "Indeed" - I think they have immediate-start roles, temporary jobs of all descriptions, including finance.

Then there's "Reed" a well-established agency which has all kinds of permanent and short term contract work which you can search for online.

But like Twaddle said - being white is irrelevant - he'll fit in with all the other white faces. Please tell us why you think there might not be such work available to white people - I am genuinely puzzled.

I assume he has dual nationality, in which case he has permission to work in the UK. The colour of his skin isn't relevant. The only issue is at the moment that jobs in some sectors and at certain levels are hard to find, but nobody will take any notice of his skin colour. I don't know why you should think otherwise. I hope you don't believe the propaganda which is being pumped out by some outlets.

My white Australian grandson has been forced to obtain an unwanted British passport so now he is thinking he might go and work there for a few months. Would this passport give him permission ? Serious question. Is there short term work in finance available to white people ? He has a couple of degrees in commerce and science.

Apologies, I responded to MOnica, not that I don’t share your concerns MOnica. I mentioned daughters. I have no sons but I do have nephews 30-45 and grandsons three of them still in primary school.
The older group all got apprenticeships, we have a corgi approved plumber, a tiler and a chef. All doing nicely thanks. All from families with acedemics in them
I do worry about my three younger grandsons. Year 5 and 6 already worried about Sats and exams in relation to getting “a good job” if they don’t do well
I’m do feel we put too much pressure in our schools, too early. Both boys and girls exposed to this and to pressure from social media.

They have to find their own way in their world, which is so different than ours was. Many of my adult daughter’s friends are entrepreneurs, as is one of mine. She’d been a primary school teacher but baby two confirmed the distance, traffic and long hours weren’t conducive with two small ones. She set up a business and five years later is doing ok and much happier than she would be cramming small children for sats

NotSpaghetti They all need to find their own way but many these days cannot hot even start to find their own way because they are unable to get a job at all in their chosen or other profession.

My MA is not related to my undergraduate degree and as regards careers, I have done many things unrelated to either - but still satisfying and worthwhile.

Re the anecdotal evidence of boys from the families of Gransnetters -
It also depends how you present at interview I think... My oldest son was able to walk into anything it seems to me. He always moved on into something more exciting or much better paid.. or both.
My youngest - not really. He is less driven but very loyal.

They all need to find their own way.

Basgetti Even today, it is best to study a subject you really enjoy and, therefore do well in, than be sensible and do something that does not engross you and do less well.

This is the mistake I made and, while my first degree, and the professional MSc I did later gave me a good career.

The subject that I should have done has been my main leisure interest for more years than I can count. I have done a number of extra-mural courses and collected various ualification and I have always done better in these than I did in my first degree.

There are so many 'add-on' diplomas, masters degrees etc available today, on and off line, could he channel his passion sideways into something, connected with his degree tangentially?

Deedaa

My middle grandson is having a great time at an all boys state grammar school. Many of the boys are Indian or Chinese and come from families who are very focused on education and they are mostly high achievers. The school is also very keen on sports - and the sports are very competitive, which my grandson loves. When I spent a day there I found myself thinking how nice it was not having any girls messing things up. He does mix with a lot of girls at his drama classes at the weekend,

In what way do girls ‘mess things up’.

Indeed, MOnica. Our youngest, first class degree in his specialism, is still working in hospitality as he chases roles. Our eldest, on the other hand, again good degree, has had no difficulty in securing roles in a profession where there is an huge shortage of qualified staff.
Looking back, we probably ought to have encouraged our youngest to study something less specialist but after having given up so much freedom for his compromised dad during Covid, we felt he deserved to follow his wish.

Basgetti

Bukkie

As the mother of two sons I certainly believe white British men are disadvantaged. They have often missed out on jobs and opportunities because they don't tick enough boxes.

Also mother of an adult son (and daughter).
Is it possible that other candidates were more suited to the roles?

I think it also depends what careers they want to get into. Some carees are very popular, some have a uniculture membership and need to become more inclusive.

Other careers are over subscribed.

DS wanted to be an academic, but there is immense competition for permanent jobs in academia. For the first 15 or more years of his, now successful career he was moving from one temporary lectureship to another.

He was 40 before he finally got tenure, which is the academic term for a permanent full time job teaching.

Bukkie

As the mother of two sons I certainly believe white British men are disadvantaged. They have often missed out on jobs and opportunities because they don't tick enough boxes.

Also mother of an adult son (and daughter).
Is it possible that other candidates were more suited to the roles?

snoopy57

I should say so, we should be at the top of society

Why?

Chocolatelovinggran

Tuliptree, I think that your analogy of the person at the race starting line is an excellent one.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJAgPF5FNTQ

The above link is to a video I saw some years ago which uses a race analogy to explain inequality. It's from the US but worth watching

I'm not suggesting discrimination merely pointing out double standards.

Tuliptree, I think that your analogy of the person at the race starting line is an excellent one.

Fallingstar

Cossy

Padstow A big huge thank you, as your post really made laugh out loud! I love your choice of words and have to agree wholeheartedly with your rhetoric.

Yes I must second that 👏🏽👏🏽

As so many were applauding Padstow maybe you can suggest a remedy to solve why do many feel so disadvantaged