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Good Morning Allira, thinking of you

BoggledMind’s posts on …

Sun 31-May-26 12:32:16 on page 32

Mon 01-Jun-26 12:13:03 on page 35

… are the two most sensible posts I have seen on this thread together with Doodledog’s latest.

MawsRosie’s post on Wed 27-May-26 16:54:58 on page 13 has the most useful information which, if used in conjunction with the search function, shows that the person concerned has had not two but four names, the first three very similar, following a convention, and then one very different.

Under those four names she has had many, many posts deleted. I’m not going to count them but they take a while to scroll through so they may possibly run into three figures.

Each one of those posts will have been looked at by moderators and judged to have been a breach of Talk Guidelines. Whenever a post is deleted, the poster is always referred to those guidelines.

MR says: I have no recollection of X having any posts deleted (often a warning shot by HQ).

And that just goes to show that recollections may be not reflect the true position at all.

If someone has had 100 posts deleted, that’s 100 warning shots by HQ, 100 times that person has been reminded of the Talk Guidelines.

When I followed MR’s ‘clues’ about account names and the reason for the ban, something jumped out at me.

In summer 2024, X had two name changes i.e. she had three names in under three months. One was a name she had had for a long time, one the name she has now and one in the middle which only lasted seven weeks.

During that seven weeks, she had seven posts deleted. Six of those deletions were on one thread about small boats. She had one more post deleted on another thread and the account has no further action.

This is closely followed by the new account under a very different name, abandoning the long-used naming convention.

(I am assuming these were all separate accounts not one continuous account where X had asked HQ for the name to be changed.)

There could be legitimate reasons why someone had three names in under three months but it does raise questions of whether a ban was issued in the summer of 2024.

My understanding is that if someone is found to be a previously banned poster then they will be banned again without preamble.

As members, we do not know what methods and modern tools HQ use to assist them in moderating. The MN accounts say they are now using AI. That would make the matter of linking together live and past accounts a routine task.

I’m with BoggledMind in wondering why this thread has been allowed to run and run. It should have been closed down long ago.

What is happening on this thread raises many legal concerns which could land the company and some individuals in very hot water with Ofcom and the Police under the Online Safety Act 2023 and earlier provisions.

Doodledog at Tue 02-Jun-26 07:08:45 hits the nail on the head.

I fear that this will all lead to more sanctions against individuals in what appears to be a witch hunt and the eventually closure of the platform for allowing it to happen.

Good morning allira. Everything crossed here.

I am not the slightest bit concerned about police involvement. MN have been doing this for many years, often under 'threat' from various groups around legal and financial sanctions. As I have said it us the Trump threads where I have seen the worst examples of incitement.

So, there is a search function?
And we have 3 pages left.
Has anyone had a reply to the emails?
Nothing here so far.

MartavTaurus

The previous "banning" episode can be easily explained for sure, because several posters like myself, and Urmstongran of old, can come on board to say what happened to us all at the time - we were removed, we were ostracised, we were sent to Coventry, but we were never told we were banned, but that is how it was interpreted. We couldn't get back in, but I think I'm right in saying we were never sent any proper banning notification. I'm happy to offer GNHQ dates on all that kerfuffle if it helps to clear Allira.
Perhaps we were ALL suspended back then and under investigation, I don't know, but that sounds a bit far fetched.
Allira does not control the threads, she does not write goady posts.

I think I undestand, does this mean that Allira was one of the removed posters along with Urmston Gran and has returned with a new name? as you have done?
so saying that she wasn’t banned, per se, from what you have described, could be seen as splitting hairs as far as HQ is concerned?

YEARS ago I could not access my MN account with my
sign in, so emailed mnhq to be informed my account had been closed as so many complaints had been received about a post I had made and sent me my comment.
I was really confused?!? as in Yes, well, what is the problem?

In context I had linked a youtube channel which many commenters said sounded ‘dodgy’
Thinking about it now, mnhq could not have checked this out themselves could they, or it would be seen as harmless and perfectly fitting the narrative.

I was exasperated but reinstated.
There was no warning, no suspension, no explanation and
no knowing who had complained, a similar situation to
yours.
This had an effect though, definitely, as I am far more circumspect now.

A poster has already said the former name of Allira, so how
was this possible if you were banned/removed.

Graphite’s well researched post, explains this admirably

Graphite I think your post is disturbing, you have searched and made two and two make five and are just adding to gossip and chinese whispers in your comments.
There is no way that Allira should be banned.

And also no way that we should try to speculate publicly on the whys and wherefores, just that most of us want a pleasant and sensible poster back here.

How can you tell if someone has had several name changes in a short period of time?

I wish I could be a fly on the wall at GNHQ's virtual tea break. Are they sitting there letting us ramble on and on, quietly smirking, or are some of them actually discussing/debating if members should be told the realities or not? I wonder .....

Oreo

Graphite I think your post is disturbing, you have searched and made two and two make five and are just adding to gossip and chinese whispers in your comments.
There is no way that Allira should be banned.

It is indeed a very worrying post for the reasons you mention Oreo.

^I’m with BoggledMind in wondering why this thread has been allowed to run and run. It should have been closed down long ago.

What is happening on this thread raises many legal concerns which could land the company and some individuals in very hot water with Ofcom and the Police under the Online Safety Act 2023 and earlier provisions.^

I agree with the first paragraph.

2nd paragraph - this thread must be very uncomfortable for Allira. As well as being helpful in the first instance.

More and more things have emerged.
I imagine a lot of it is wrong,

I had expected GNHQ to post something yesterday after the unexpected[by me] post from AnnieGransnet.

Personally, I do think the rules on posting are clear.
And accept we dont see everything.
Maybe the rules need tweaking?

I am back to wondering if the whole site is going to be closed down?

The first two paragraphs should have been in italics, from Graphite's post

This thread was started with good intentions by friends of the banned poster, which I support 100%

I don't think the site will close down because of this. In my time on here there have been a few similar incidents, where posters have been banned and there have been calls for reinstatement, and the site is still here. If it closes it will be for financial reasons - it is a business after all, and profit will be the driver.

As regards this thread, there will be gossip and speculation as long as only some posters are fully able to engage in the conversation and the rest of us can't, so there will be a certain amount of 'lost in translation' going on.

I agree that this thread, whilst started with the best of intentions, must now be a difficult read for both Allira and, potentially, X, which is unfortunate in both cases. I do hope that Allira is reinstated, but for the reasons I mentioned in my last post, I wonder if this thread is making that less likely.

I will say that having had posts deleted is not, in itself, indicative of much. Sometimes they are deleted because they quote a deleted post, and sometimes there are threads with numerous deletions because someone has been disagreed with and taken exception to that. It is probably easier for moderators to delete than to analyse the thread in detail.

It would be good to hear again from HQ - not necessarily to go into detail about all of this, but to explain what is meant by things like 'goady', 'the spirit of GN' and 'controlling threads'. People can't adhere to rules if we don't know what they mean.

Graphite I wonder why you misquote MawsRosie's post which you refer to by page and time so people can refer back but then post

MR says: I have no recollection of X having any posts deleted (often a warning shot by HQ). inserting an X when she clearly names the poster's two user names?

Your whole post is pointing to you wanting and approving Allira's ban, even to the point of speculating how many posts she's had deleted. This whole thread is about Allira so misquoting a post by putting an X in doesn't disguise who you're condemning. It appears less than transparent and honest.

BlueBelle

*There's been enough speculation, chinese whispers and breast beating now. It's time to stop digging a grave for this thread*

Sorry Butterandjam I don’t agree with you at all Obviously it will be so much easier if we all just keep quite and settle down like good kids and stop asking questions and let it all go away but then we ll never get any explanations or answers or know who’ s going to be next.

If we let it just disappear now it will never be sorted, we do need some answers, as nobody here knows what is right and what is wrong Goady is a misty term what one person sees as goady another may see as a joke
Things need clarifying

"Keeping quiet like good little kids" is not in evidence.

Silly playground chatter is getting in the way of attentive listening by mature adults.

Attentive readers will by now have taken in some of what accusations were made , about whom and by whom. That GN have received multiple emails from concerned posters. That they recognise the groups concerns and are investigating ( It seems some missed that GN update on Saturday)

It's in their hands, it's in progress. We've made our point.

Daft gossip /speculation/ rumours/ wittering about codes, secrecy, police, undermining confidence in the safety of posting, challenging new posters, is not helping. It's detrimental.

People need to look at this from a different angle and not be so quick to lash out at others.

What I found following MawsRosie’s clues on page 13 was an attempt to figure out what might have happened and could actually help X.

She is said to have been accused of being a previously banned poster. HQ must know which accounts they have banned.

What I found at the weekend through a simple search - which anyone could have done - suggests this might have happened in summer 2024.

I made it very clear there could be legitimate reasons for two name changes in a short space of time. It may prompt X’s memory about what happened back then which she can use when making her case to HQ to be reinstated.

If she did do something wrong two years ago then an apology and contrition rather than denial could help.

It occurs to me too that if bans are issued without warning or explanation then it is possible that someone could be banned without realising it. They could just think it is a system error and start another account.

BlueBelle

Good post Doodledog
It’s about these draconian rules around reporting and banning without warning, that is at the heart of this.
No one can lose a job without warnings, to give them a chance to change their behaviour, so how come GN can ban without any such warnings, it doesn’t replicate real life.
If Allira was ‘goady’ as has been suggested why was she not warned to stop.

Please come back HQ and treat us as intelligent adults not naughty kindergarten pupils because that’s how it feels

GN responded on this thread , an update, on Saturday.

Posting here is not a job. That's why it's not subject to employment legislation. Banned posters don't get redundancy money or a pension.

Boggledmind has already explained that GN is obliged to maintain personal confidentiality in public.

This is Social Media, which is a very long way indeed from "replicating real life".

When all is said and done GNHQ need to make their posting rules more specific and set out their stepway to banning clearly and also clearly set out what is acceptable and what is not. After all, many of the FB groups have very clear rules about what is and what is not tolerated.

Graphite What I found following MawsRosie’s clues on page 13 was an attempt to figure out what might have happened and could actually help X.

Well your post didn't read like that to me. Counting the number of deletions etc, trawling back two years. And why do you persist with the coy X when Maw's post that you so helpfully pinpointed so all could refer back to it gave you the names Callistemon and Allira? I find that quite baffling from someone who wanted to 'help'. We all know this thread is about Allira she's been named so many times, greeted by name from numerous posters...........

SpinDriftCoastal

When all is said and done GNHQ need to make their posting rules more specific and set out their stepway to banning clearly and also clearly set out what is acceptable and what is not. After all, many of the FB groups have very clear rules about what is and what is not tolerated.

This is my take on the matter.

Oh, can we just stop girning at each other for the next 3 pages?
People are trying to help.
We all have different ways.
Few know the 'whole story'.
Many have emailed.
A whole Thread devoted to you Allira 🌟

Hmmmmm 'gurning'.......