GNHQ have commented on this thread. Read here.
Whether they are banned or simply stop contributing it seems this happens reasonably often. It is a shame ,particularly when someone who has been a ‘regular’ is banned and most of us have no idea what caused it. A recent person to be banned never, as far as I am aware, transgressed . Sometimes I think someone with opposing views complains and causes a banning quite unnecessarily and we are the poorer for it. It would be very boring indeed if we all held the same views on everything.
It's a completely skewed version of the facts.
100 deleted posts?
Four name changes?
Certainly not facts that I recognise.
Hi all,
We’ve been thinking about what more we can fairly say, because we do understand that simply saying we don’t discuss moderation decisions isn’t a very satisfying answer in a case where lots of people feel strongly about our decision.
The decision to ban was made in light of the overall moderation history and a repeated pattern of behaviour over time. It was not based on one incident, one thread, or one report. That pattern included thread-policing, inflammatory posts, personal digs, bringing old grievances back into threads and encouraging criticism of posters who report posts.
We do understand that individual posts in isolation may not always seem especially terrible. That is often the difficulty with this sort of thing. One post can look borderline, a bit sharp, or like something that could simply be ignored. But when the same sort of behaviour happens repeatedly, across more than one thread, it changes the feel of the boards. It can make other posters feel picked at, worn down, and reluctant to post at all. When that happens, we have to take it seriously.
We want Gransnet to work for long-standing posters who know each other well, but it also has to work for people who are newer, less confident, or not part of an established group. If threads become dominated by old rows, digs, score-settling or public arguments about who reported what, that puts people off.
We know some people won’t agree with this decision. We also know people feel protective of posters they consider good friends. But our decision wasn’t made lightly, and it wasn’t made on the basis of one incident.
Our aim is for Gransnet to be a place that makes people’s lives easier, not the reverse. Sometimes that means making difficult and unpopular moderation decisions because we believe they are in the long-term interests of the community as a whole.
Of course we are always open to feedback, and we do review decisions where there is a good reason to do so. But we can’t make moderation decisions by public vote, or simply by counting the number of complaints on either side. We have to look at the overall pattern, the guidelines, and what is best for the community in the long run. That is the only way the community can thrive.
We hope that gives you a bit more background to our thinking.
Thanks,
GNHQ
Thanks for getting back to us annie. I will say as someone who has been around a while, the idea that thread policing is 'reportable' is a new one on me. That pretty much happens daily.
I’ve not had much time to spend here so I’m not totally up to date but I note that GN mods have responded. I can only say that I am even more baffled now. 🤔
Have no idea what Thread policing is.
A new thought, is there another Poster with a name similar to Allira? And so, causing mistaken identity?
Won’t people who post more upset more people though, inadvertently?
Do you have a RAG rated spreadsheet? Is it percentage driven compared to posts? Or is it just a number of reports per person orientated?
I just wondered how you collect the data
* It was not based on one incident, one thread, or one report. That pattern included thread-policing, inflammatory posts, personal digs, bringing old grievances back into threads and encouraging criticism of posters who report posts*
With greatest respect Anniegransnet are you really talking about Allira
I personally have seen none of this behaviour in any posts I ve seen of hers and I ve been on here 13+ years
I cannot believe we are talking about the same person
Anybody agree with me ?
and encouraging criticism of posters who report posts.
I always dont like this.
Cant say I saw Allira do it, nor anyone in particular, but I do believe people should report if they feel they want to[as long as not being done in a "bad" way].
And that person[again I will say if not done in a "bad" way] will know, or perceive, if there is a repeated behaviour against them, across a range of threads over a period of time.
Which others, understandably, may not have noticed.
I sometimes think we all think we are on the threads a lot.
But I realise I probably only open about 1 in 10 threads[not counting the Games threads].
I realise that may not be the same for everyone.
A rag rated spreadsheet, that made me smile.
My understanding of thread policing is saying what should be said on the thread for example if the thread drifts then people saying start another thread, don't talk about that on here, etc.
Me, completely, Bluebelle.
I could have written that post exactly.
That is not the Allira/Callistemon that i know. Obviously, I don't see all her posts but, over all the time I have 'known' her I have not seem anything I recognise in Annie's post.
As I said previously, I am old enough now to be able to judge people's personalities.
BlueBelle
* It was not based on one incident, one thread, or one report. That pattern included thread-policing, inflammatory posts, personal digs, bringing old grievances back into threads and encouraging criticism of posters who report posts*
With greatest respect Anniegransnet are you really talking about Allira
I personally have seen none of this behaviour in any posts I ve seen of hers and I ve been on here 13+ years
I cannot believe we are talking about the same person
Anybody agree with me ?
Completely. I'm sorry, but I'm more baffled than ever after reading that 'explanation'.
Well I’ve just said goodbye to Allira. 😥
She’s reading so you had better get your goodbyes in now.
You won’t have another chance.
As an explanation of the approach taken by the moderators, I think Annie’s post is helpful. Obviously, this will be seen by many not to apply to what we know of Allira, but it seems these are the criteria the mods have used.
We asked for some clarification, and this goes a long way towards giving us that, but people may still feel that Allira has been misjudged.
I’m so sorry this has happened Allira, I’ll miss you, your sense of humour, and our little discussions about Wales.
Is it helpful though? And this is no offense to Annie, I actually am a frequent defender of the mods.
If I now for example report every time I see thread policing, I could get couple if posters banned pretty quickly. What would be the point?
I'm genuinely stunned, and very, very sorry; i think a huge injustice has been done.
I just can't work out how the situation has been judged
So very sorry Allira. 
I will miss your posts Allira x. As casdon says, you are very funny x.
But we can’t make moderation decisions by public vote
Exactly.
If a lesser known /less popular poster gets banned in exactly the same circumstances no one would even notice ( or care most likely )
Good luck Allira. x
Thanks for detailed information on your decision making Annie Gransnet
I’m disappointed. I’m no miss marple, don’t store info about the posters who return with new names. I’m a long term member and poster. Honestly, I can’t agree that either as Callistemon or Allira my experience of her reflects the descriptions given in support of your decision. I feel we’ve lost an interesting poster, one who often made me smile
I’m uneasy about this ban and the possible impact on other posters
MissA me too this is not the Allira I have seen I ve only ever seen a cheery, funny, , a bit cheeky, perfectly normal poster
I m sorry HQ but I think you have got this badly wrong and your explanation does not fit with what I have seen or known of this poster
I’m so sorry, Allira. It feels like an injustice to be saying farewell. Take care of yourself. 🐦🔥
Galaxy, it’s helpful in that it tells us what the mods are looking for in posts.
It was not based on one incident, one thread, or one report. That pattern included thread-policing, inflammatory posts, personal digs, bringing old grievances back into threads and encouraging criticism of posters who report posts
Well, if that's the case I should be banned too, as should the poster here who still bears a grudge months later, or the poster who logs personal details by screen shots to use later, or the poster who digs up other people's lifestyles to make a point, or the poster who nudges another to sneer in unison, but not deliberately Allira. I'm baffled.
I'm so sorry it has come to this.
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