Shame on you Corbyn!

I agree with everything POGS has said.

And with the OP.

I agree the issues are - using derogatory misogynist language about a female PM and then lying about it.
POGS sets out clearly why it is unacceptable. It isn't ok to dismiss this as part of a concerted attack on JC, he needs to shape up and act more like a trusted leader of HM Opposition. The country needs an effective opposition.
Bercow needs to go - he's lost trust and control.

Bercow is dreadful.

If he said "stupid woman" then I think he should have just admitted it and brazened it out.

In my view, it would be rather rude but it's the sort of thing I would mutter to myself If I was annoyed about something. I don't see why it is considered "sexist". If he said "stupid women", I think that could be described as sexist because it would be directed at women in general. If a woman muttered "stupid man" under her breath, would it be considered sexist? Who on earth says "stupid person"?

I think it's a lot of hoo hah about nothing.

Maytime Are you seriously comparing Corbyn to Profumo?

Andrew Mitchell tried to lie his way out of it when he was accused of calling a policeman a pleb. That ended his political career. Liars usually get found out in the end.

Eloethan et al who think this is too ha .

So the next time a female MP mentions mysogyny, patronising comments etc. in Parliament or MP's debate the attitude in Parliament re female patronisation etc. they are wasting their time because there are bigger problems to worry about. In other words ' Get over it'. That is how I read some posters comments.

So the next time an MP uses patronising language it should just be accepted?

A Pandoras Box could be opened and that is why Parliament has a code of conduct and etiquette to keep things in check. It fails miserably at the moment and the Speaker has a hell of a lot to answer for.

What would this message be sending to woman who are already being put off becoming politicians because the attitude towards female MP's ?

If female MP's especially do not understand that if they can stand back and allow the PM to be called a stupid woman in Parliament without an apology then they have put their cause back and why should anybody feel the need to curb such behaviour on their behalf if they pick and choose who, when and where can be allowed to lie their way out of bad behaviour?

An excellent post POGS - all of it. Very well said.

Elothan - A lie is a lie in anyone's language.

Eleothan, Profumo lied, Corbyn lied , a lie is a lie .

Never trust a liar ! Enough said.

I wouldn't trust Corbyn with my enemies hamster!!!! (Not that I have got any enemies that I know of)

How can anyone defend this man and want him as PM,

4 years ago he was at a wreath laying ceremony in Tunisia , a wreath was laid to honour the terrorists who murdered innocent Olympic athletes , some of these athletes were castrated then murdered.

When asked about him being there he said

‘I was present at wreath laying but I don’t think I was involved.

A female labour MP thinks Corbyn said ‘stupid tories’

Just to recap on the lies that Corbyn has told:

1. Corbyn claimed the carriage he was in on a trip to Newcastle was “ram-packed.” But he’d walked past empty seats on the way to creating his spin and he sat down for the last half of the journey.

2. He denied that he’d said article 50 should be immediately invoked. He did say it — the day after, on the BBC.

3. He lied when he said that the Labour Party was polling level with the Tories before the coup.

4. He said membership of the Labour Party at 540,000 was the biggest it’s ever been. But between 1945 and 1980 membership was considerably higher, over a million for a few years in 1951.

5. He told Red Pepper he had had “never had any higher education of any sort,” whereas he, in fact, dropped out of North London Polytechnic after a year.

6. On Saturday 10 August 2018, the Daily Mail published photos from a 2014 ceremony in Tunis that show Jeremy Corbyn holding a wreath “just feet from the graves of terror leaders linked to the [1972] Munich massacre. He denied it by saying "I was ‘present’ for wreath-laying but I ‘don’t think I was actually involved"

7. Denies calling a fellow female MP "a stupid woman", even though lip reading experts confirm that he did say it.

Not a good track record for someone who has aspirations to becoming a PM imo.

It's perfectly obvious that he said "stupid woman/women". If he'd just admitted it, he'd have been given a slap on the wrist and it would have blown over by now.
But......he lied, and seems to think we're all stupid enough to fall for it!
It's the fact that he considers us all as inferior that annoys me the most, he's ignorant in the extreme.
How anyone can even consider him as a future PM is beyond me, he's a disgrace!

Hear hear juggernaut but he has just shot himself through one of his two left feet, so interesting to see how he rides this out ( or hides out) until after Christmas.

She was being stupid - she is a woman - therefore...........

I believe TM has lied, on at least one occasion - what about that 'meaningful vote' which she then decided off her own bat not to have because she knew she was going to lose? Surely that is more important than whatever JC said?

humptydumpty. You are saying lying is acceptable depending on who tells a lie?

Honouring terrorists is acceptable?

No, I am simply saying that it is not one-sided (the words kettle and black come to mind).

(Kettle being Tory MPs, black being JC - nothing about Grans!)

humptydumpty

" I believe TM has lied, on at least one occasion - what about that 'meaningful vote' which she then decided off her own bat not to have because she knew she was going to lose?"
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There will be a vote , it was put back because Parliament basically told her to bugger off back to Brussels and get better deal! When she tried that they then called her a liar and a coward but forget their own words easily available to view in Hansard , Hypocrisy comes to mind.

Corbyn did the same thing by saying Labour would hold a vote of No Confidence in the government but failed to do so because he was in the exact same position as Theresa May. Both May and Corbyn knew they would loose the vote , both delayed a vote but hypocrisy being what it is only one of them is a liar according to some.

As for the fact Corbyn called May a ' Stupid Woman' you too seem to be very willing to negate the point raised re female and male MP's raising the sexist, mysoginistic , patronising attitude they receive in Parliament.

Just because the accused is Corbyn it is deemed it is OK for this to happen, it is not.

If partisan politics trumps truth, honesty and the etiquette / respect of parliament why should anybody care when female MP's raise the situation again? They like those who elect to pick and choose when /whom to complain about patronising, mysoginy will have shot themselves in the foot.

Corbyn lied

The whole thing is most unedifying and a disgraceful example of lies and hypocrisy. I do not like JC, but what was the fuss about calling TMay a 'stupid woman' if that is what he thought? he should not have lied, he should have stood by what he said. As to the loons baying from the back bench, it was disgusting and terrifying in equal measures; these fools are supposed to be making decisions, making laws to the benefit of the country, god help us. I keep my final comments for the loathsome and hypocritical Andrea Leadsom who is I believe, responsible for dealing with and investigating claims of racism/sexism etc within the HoC. She had the brass neck to act all puffed up indignation when the JC 'stupid woman' comment was all over the media. Maybe she forgot about the two Tory backbenchers who had their suspensions (both accused of sexual harrassment) lifted in order that they could vote in the May vote of confidence debacle. You couldn't make it up. They should all be ashamed of themselves. My late DF had it right when he described them all as a 'shower of shit'.