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obieone Fri 22-Apr-16 09:48:01

DD works in London. Been there two years. Walking about, normal daily life, she has been hassled 6 times, and every time it was men, foreign descent.

I dont want to just sweep this under the carpet as I am annoyed.

Are other posters noticing an increase in this sort of thing. Either in London or elsewhere?

Eloethan Sat 23-Apr-16 00:48:57

I don't think it is right, without proper statistical evidence, to imply that foreign men are responsible for possible increases in incidents of sexual harassment and assaults. I don't know if these sorts of incidents are on the increase or not. As others have said, most women have at least some experience of this sort of behaviour - inappropriate/intimidating comments, gropers, flashers, etc. - even in the "old days". But perhaps then women were more embarrassed to report or even talk about these sorts of things and might anyway have thought that they would not be taken seriously.

If someone has been touched, subjected to obscene comments or intimidated in any other way, it should be reported to the police.

obieone Sat 23-Apr-16 06:35:28

We spoke to her last night.
She said that she giggles when she is nervous.

We have sent her the link to this thread. We pointed out that she needs a strategy if and when this happens again, as giggling can obviously be misinterpreted.

Thank you for the ideas above. She is taking them all onboard.

Tower Bridge Road, Bank and Old Kent Road were three of the areas she mentioned. I dont think they have anything in common.

NfkDumpling Sat 23-Apr-16 07:06:34

I think Granjura has a good point. Some young men away from the restrictions of their family do use their freedom and anonymity to do things they wouldn't dream of at home.

pompa Sat 23-Apr-16 07:20:42

Especially during the summer we have a large number of foreign single men in our village.(they may be married but are here alone).They come here to work on the farms.
At a recent U3A meeting where the local police were giving a talk. they were asked what they were doing about the crime etc caused by these men. The reply was that in the 7 years this officer had been in the village, there had never been an incident involving foreign workers. Just goes to show how we are biased by media reports and paint everyone with the same brush.
From my very occasional trips to London, it would appear to me that in certain areas, like Oxford St, being foreign is the norm.

obieone Sat 23-Apr-16 07:43:38

Good point and good post.
This thread is helping to put my mind at ease.

Jane10 Sat 23-Apr-16 07:57:45

I do think it unwise to just dismiss this for the reasons given by some of the other posters. Yes its a difficult topic but do we shy away from it due to reasons of political correctness? If these incidents are not reported to the police then they officially haven't happened. Nothing apparently happened in Rotherham or the other northern towns either until it was decided that enough was enough and those 'foreign men' were finally arrested.

pompa Sat 23-Apr-16 08:19:34

WE do get incidents in our village which are reported, the point is, none of these involved foreign men. So unreported incidents would be across the whole population, unreported incidents involving foreign men (if there are any) would be a small percentage.

adaunas Sat 23-Apr-16 08:44:13

Yesterday I felt as if I was back in the school playground listening to " if you do that I won't be your friend any more". It was just like the song " I don't want to play in your yard. I don't like you any more . . . You can't play in our back garden, you can't climb our apple tree, I don't want to play in your yard, if you leave the EEC!

Jane10 Sat 23-Apr-16 08:44:52

I quite understand about your village pompa but I think London is a rather different proposition.

adaunas Sat 23-Apr-16 08:46:06

Sorry, wrong place to post.

trisher Sat 23-Apr-16 09:03:55

I don't think it is being racist to say that in some cultures interaction between the sexes generally happens in certain ways and that in another country the signals being given out may be misunderstood by the other party. I think understanding this can be helpful. You are right obeione giggling wouldn't help. I wonder if your daughter has thought of doing a self defence course. Not for the physical bit but one of the things they usually teach is how to behave in certain situations to keep yourself safe. It might make her less nervous. Hope all goes well

petra Sat 23-Apr-16 09:43:59

Jane 10 Exactly. As in 'nothing happened' in Cologne on New Year's Eve or Tahrir square. But it won't be spoken about, yet, because of PC.

harrigran Sat 23-Apr-16 10:54:38

GD is six and attends Karate classes. I was amazed to see her reaction last week when her dad came up behind her, he touched her shoulder and she spun round and blocked any further advance.

Iam64 Sat 23-Apr-16 20:53:03

But it is being spoken about, loudly and frequently. In some other european countries, attempts are being made to 'educate' young men about how to behave around women.

The sexual harassment and sexually verbal abuse I've seen directed at young women in the town I live in has always been from groups of young white men. I 'm not suggesting there have been no sexual offences committed by any our of large Pakistani Muslim population or the very mixed and growing asylum seeking community. I am saying I have never witnessed any casual sexual harassment of young girls from that group, whereas I have all too often seen groups of white lads shouting very sexually abusive comments.