David Tennant.

kircubbin2000

I think most people are sick of pride and they way it's shoved in our faces everywhere. The rainbow used to be a nice colourful thing but now it's associated with all this hoo ha. Also I don't think it's anything to be proud of.

I mean, let's hope some of the more gay accepting people on this thread address this so I don't have to

The difference CS, is that no one except you was saying that parents should take their children to Pride events because it . . .

I forget all the waffle you put, when you wandered into weddings etc etc.
You can go, and claim you see nothing unacceptable-that only means that your view of unacceptable is not that of everyone else, any more than my view is.

I've never said that parents should take their children to Pride

I have only defended those who do

And I have only done that in response to comments saying they shouldn't

I don't know if you have misread it misunderstood Mollygo but I can't have a conversation based on things that haven't happened

Many of the gay people I know are raising concerns about some aspects of pride, ( the commercialisation, etc etc) you do know that discussing pride is nothing to do with accepting gay people. I spent most of my twenties having flings with women, I have never been to pride in my life. Gay and bisexual people hold a range of views on everything including pride. I have just read a very funny tweet from a lesbian explaining that she was being told off for not celebrating Pride by a straight woman, she felt that summed up much of the current situation.

It doesn't matter to me if people go to Pride or not, it only matters that people who do, who go for the reasons it represents, do so without being shamed in any way

Can't stand the man

The Seattle pride is 50 years old (one of the landmark ones).

Washington Post report criticising the nudity does give numbers to the numbers of naked men at the Seattle event

www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jun/26/seattle-pride-parade-features-naked-men-bikes-all-/

but the city wide turnout is around 200.000 march and viewers - still very much the mardigras feeling

www.google.com/search?client=safari&sca_esv=3dde2fcdc36845ac&sca_upv=1&rls=en&sxsrf=ADLYWIJOrDJ-RhXpHV1ZRKdIGvwP3EmSHQ:1719856173250&q=seattle+pride+march&udm=2&fbs=AEQNm0Aa4sjWe7Rqy32pFwRj0UkWtG_mNb-HwafvV8cKK_h1a5eSkyfXNgRC6a9SKsMT7FJcpNbhuyop7vethc16lXGVekItjKTF5tpJ3QHf6xA-aVmpm4eFUvVo-8Vsymkkh7P0rydnb_owUtFowmUBPblbDO6KlwD_4BTEBQeNKo8lOssyz_eo7D5p_UGC4zQ8zWuuOhGR&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjQxZXCs4aHAxWEUkEAHXg_CiwQtKgLegQIERAB&biw=1193&bih=852&dpr=2

tho I'm sure there are tensions within the groups involved around issues properly and well discussed in GN

which unfortunately is exploited by small groups of extremists in events

I've been looking at Pride all over the world and was glad to see its been celebrated in the Ukraine for the first time since the war begun. Its also I countries like South Korea where its not legal to marry etc and people are brave to turn out.

No one should be made to feel they ought to be there or ought to support Pride of course or take children if they are not happy with it.

VS
shouldn't

I don't know if you have misread it misunderstood Mollygo but I can't have a conversation based on things that haven't happened.
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Galaxy

Many of the gay people I know are raising concerns about some aspects of pride, ( the commercialisation, etc etc) you do know that discussing pride is nothing to do with accepting gay people. I spent most of my twenties having flings with women, I have never been to pride in my life. Gay and bisexual people hold a range of views on everything including pride. I have just read a very funny tweet from a lesbian explaining that she was being told off for not celebrating Pride by a straight woman, she felt that summed up much of the current situation.

Good post Galaxy!

Gay and bisexual people hold a range of views on everything including pride

... in particular.

Two lesbian friends of mine did not intend to go because they no longer felt represented by the official Pride.

... but as a straight woman, I didn't reprimand them on their decision.

Galaxy,
I taught with my longest known gay friend and we went to his wedding several years ago.
Popular with staff, parents and children alike, he stopped going to our local Pride in the last few years, because he said that there was often behaviour that reflected badly on gays and it might affect people’s perception of him if he was seen there.

Mollygo

VS
shouldn't

I don't know if you have misread it misunderstood Mollygo but I can't have a conversation based on things that haven't happened.
🤣🤣🤣

Seriously

Are you ok? I'm worried

Mollygo

Galaxy,
I taught with my longest known gay friend and we went to his wedding several years ago.
Popular with staff, parents and children alike, he stopped going to our local Pride in the last few years, because he said that there was often behaviour that reflected badly on gays and it might affect people’s perception of him if he was seen there.

It's very sad that he has to protect himself from people who would look for reasons to look down on him as an individual

No VS.
It’s very sad that the behaviour of some people at Pride events reflect badly on the people who want to celebrate being gay or Lesbian.

VS, re conversations based on things that haven’t happened, it’s funny, because you do it.

Mollygo

VS, re conversations based on things that haven’t happened, it’s funny, because you do it.

I don't know what this really

But it's not achieving anything

Mollygo

No VS.
It’s very sad that the behaviour of some people at Pride events reflect badly on the people who want to celebrate being gay or Lesbian.

No MG

The people who would judge all gay people by the actions of a few are what have hurt the person in your scenario

If everyone didn't go because they were worried about judgemental bigots who cannot differentiate then Pride would be lost completely

Well, that's not what Mollygo's friend said, is it.

He obviously thought that some at the Pride marches reflected badly on the majority of ordinary gay people living ordinary lives and were not representative of folk like him.

Just as some extremists on protest marches do not reflect the views of the majority who might agree.

Their overt over-sexualised antics do not in fact reflect the majority and that is why those marches are no place for a child either.

Pride is for people like your friend Molly and the fact that he and he wont be the only one, doesn't feel comfortable going because of the behaviour of some who attend, really should be a red flag to the organisers.

Those who aren't happy are not judgemental bigots VS. That's the problem isn't it. Unacceptable behaviour is simply that, but if anyone who calls it out is going to be judged as a bigot because those being criticised are gay, bi or trans etc then even those who are too, are going to be silenced when they shouldn't be.

Pride needs to reclaim the reason it was established in the first place and not allow those bringing it into disrepute to continue to do so.

Well said, Smileless

Mollygo

Galaxy,
I taught with my longest known gay friend and we went to his wedding several years ago.
Popular with staff, parents and children alike, he stopped going to our local Pride in the last few years, because he said that there was often behaviour that reflected badly on gays and it might affect people’s perception of him if he was seen there.

He said this, he doesn't want people's perception of him to change because of others behaviour...

Anyone who would change their perception of him because of others behaviour just because he is gay too or at the same event, isn't a good person

I'm defending him...

You said that anyone doing so would be a judgemental bigot VS. So does that mean that anyone who criticises the outlandish behaviour exhibited by some at Pride events, regardless of their sexual preferences is a judgemental bigot?

Is Molly's friend a judgemental bigot because he doesn't want to be seen in the same light?

Not everyone attending Pride would know him so how could they change their perception of him?

VioletSky

I'm defending him...

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Anyway

Now this thread has reduced in the number of partocipants, I will leave this one too because you are making yourselves look bad trying to get at me and while some people might enjoy that, I just find it sad