David Tennant.

People are judged by the company they keep.

Oh dear, not again .....

Just different views, that's all.

And some confusion, expressed by several posters, about the content of some of your posts.

But VS, that’s exactly what you’re doing. Trying to make others look bad, and while I have no idea if you enjoy that . . .
Teachers have to be careful what they are seen to be doing. He worried that attending venues where the police are involved, people might think he was involved too.
You have cast enough aspersions in your time to know how easily that is done.
Enjoy your flounce.

Guilt by association happens everywhere, whether it's right or not.

A teacher needs to remain professional.

VioletSky

Anyway

Now this thread has reduced in the number of partocipants, I will leave this one too because you are making yourselves look bad trying to get at me and while some people might enjoy that, I just find it sad

I expect you've left the thread now but just to say that no-one is trying to get at you. Posters are just arguing for their point of view, which may differ from yours and/or refuting your interpretation of their posts which makes the meaning different from their intent.

I expect he is just fed up with the current furore about trans people. I am too.

Famous people who don't express opinions regarding current matters often do not because they don't want to alienate any of their fans. I think it is quite brave to speak out, especially in the current trans-hating climate, though I think Tennant's choice of words have left him open to criticism, which is a shame.

Best to say nothing, rather than provoking further controversy.

Trans hating climate?
Do you mean females hating that transwomen (male) are allowed to cheat in female sport, and lie their way into female safe spaces?

Or do you mean the minority of trans hating that they are being denied the right to cheat in female competitions or disrespect females.
There always those who conflate hating the actions of that small minority of TW who go out of their way to oppose female rights, with hating all trans.
Those who support female opposition to males cheating and inveigling themselves into female self spaces, that the two are not the same thing.
Those who think they are the same thing, support neither females, nor the majority of trans who wish no harm to females.

There is not a trans-hating climate.

There is a dislike of the vociferous misogynistic minority who take advantage by muscling in, as *Mollygo says, on women's sport, women's spaces eg prisons, changing rooms, public toilets etc. Their intent is not to promote transgender issues, it is for their own purposes.

They do everyone else, transgender people, women and men a great disservice and put back any progress that might have been made.

It's an attempt to silence Molly and Callistemon telling anyone who raises reasonable and informed concerns about what is happening they are trans haters .

Asking a difficult genuine question not intending to be provoking.

The only transgender woman I know is 71 and has been living (quietly) as a woman for a long time. She/he looks like, speaks like a woman. she/he has no interest in disruption. Doesnt claim to be a biological woman. Doesn't believe in open access to sports. I'm OK with her using Womens toilets.

I understand that Wyllow as I've no doubt that at some time or another I've done the same. It's been said time and time again on these threads that it's those trans who do the opposite to your friend and I think the opposite to the vast majority who just want to live as their chosen gender, who are the issue.

We also call x "she" in conversation. if I hadn't known her well enough - I wouldn't have known.

Wyllow3
We are frequently assured that lots of trans have been around for ages.

It would never have been a difficult question if it hadn’t been for the behaviour of the small minority of TW.

People like you mentioned, have possibly been using female toilets for years. They may even have used cubicled changing rooms unnoticed, although once in a swimming costume, it’s hard not to notice, unless like Christine Jorgensen, they have had surgery.

What they didn’t do was flaunt
their sexuality, upskirt, etc. or otherwise attempt to intimidate females or try to gain access to female safe places.

Your post upholds the points I try constantly to make;
- that most TW are not the problem,
- that the minority who do cause the problems, harm not just females, but other trans
and
-that disliking the actions of the minority and trying to prevent them from affecting females does not equate to trans hating.

Living as you describe, I am curious to know what gave it away that they were transgender.

My feeling is that the most danger and poor treatment women experience is via heterosexual men. As we all know, two or three women a week are killed by their male partners.

I suspect that the vast majority of trans people just want to get on with their lives without hateful speech and actions directed at them. If there are one or two men who have assumed the identity of a woman who subsequently go on to harm a woman, I would suggest that they are far outnumbered by heterosexual men.

Eloethan, you are absolutely right about the numbers of heterosexual men far outweighing the number of TW.

The number of TW wanting to get on with their lives outweighs the number of those TW (or those claiming to be TW) wanting to use that identity to cheat, intimidate and harm women, supported of course by their vociferous trans fans.

What do you suggest we do about that group, to improve life for females and trans?

She wasn't "in hiding" in this group so it came out in course of normal discussions. Not sure what she did or didn't say at work before retirement.

Well, after pages and pages of VS failing to get the point and twisting others' words to suggest that those who don't see her as the coolest and most inclusive member of GN are exclusionary bigots, she appears to have flounced . That was half an hour of my life I'll never see again.

For what my opinion's worth (no more or less than that of an actor, I reckon), dressing up for Pride is one thing, but encouraging a child to think that he can change sex is another. And publicising that encouragement seems like attention-seeking. 'Look at me - see how inclusive and accepting I am.' There is a lot of that where this subject is concerned .

If Wilfred Tennant grows out of his 'wanting to be a girl' phase it will be difficult to roll back now that his dad has co-oped it for his own popularity offensive. It must be quite difficult to be the child of famous actors at the best of times. Living your childhood in the spotlight can't be easy - even at second hand - but having your behaviour pushed into the public eye at first hand will make it worse. It will be like when an aunt you rarely see keeps bringing up the time you insisted on wearing Superman pyjamas all day, or that time you were an 'emu' (sic) and painted your bedroom black. But worse, as the entire readership of Hello magazine is in on the joke, and not just the extended family and the older members of the WI.

I wonder if Wilfred was given the (substantial) fee for the photos and article, or if hie parents kept it? Is someone of his age able to give informed consent for such an invasion of privacy?

I am no fan of Kemi Badenoch, but can't help thinking that DT has singled out a Right wing Tory for his comments to further strengthen his Left wing credentials. It won't make me think again about where to put my X though. I'm not that easily swayed, and DT is not speaking on behalf of anyone in the Labour Party in any case.

My feeling is that the most danger and poor treatment women experience is via heterosexual men. As we all know, two or three women a week are killed by their male partners.

We know that but it is a different problem. It's truly alarming and needs to be addressed.

It does not mean we cannot express concern about the few who claim to be transgender in order to access women's spaces (eg prisons) or have failed in men's sports and think the way to win is to say they are transgender because they know, having gone through male puberty, they will have a better chance of winning.

Well said, Doodledog
I feel sorry for Wilfred who has not even reached puberty yet and may well not understand the full ramifications of his parents' actions.

Many (if not most) transgender men are heterosexual. This is why so many claim to be lesbians. They are basically straight men who fancy women, and by claiming to 'feel' that they are 'in the wrong body' can gain access to areas traditionally denied to straight men because women are in stats of undress or otherwise vulnerable.

Doodledog

Many (if not most) transgender men are heterosexual. This is why so many claim to be lesbians. They are basically straight men who fancy women, and by claiming to 'feel' that they are 'in the wrong body' can gain access to areas traditionally denied to straight men because women are in stats of undress or otherwise vulnerable.

Well put Doodledog

The problem is that the truth you are telling seems to fall on some very deaf ears or gets twisted.

I don't think David Tennant's child should have been named or even identified; it is the parents' duty to protect their child from public exposure however they, (parent and child) may feel.

He was identified by his parents not the press. He has a public profile with photos and bio.

kircubbin2000

He was identified by his parents not the press. He has a public profile with photos and bio.

I know. That's why I wonder whether they are keeping the fee. If so, I think they should reconsider their 'right on' credentials, as identifying him in such a public manner could be seen as exploitation for their own gain.