Are We Being Told the Truth About Climate Change?

There are conflicting opinions and some believe the emphasis on on CO2 gases is overplayed.

Yes. The same 3% who think Climate Change isn't man made, I expect.

We only know what we are told,whether we believe it is down to your/our own opinion/s.
the earth has had freakish weather from day one.
From ice-age to todays horrendous heatwave.
I`m not sure but still do my bit ie: recycling etc.

No, its not down to opinions, its down to knowing which scientists are trustworthy and credible, and which are charlatans.

I'd recommend NASA, and not the bloke with a book to sell.

There's not much point in arguing about the cause of climate change.

Surely, the focus should be - we're in big trouble - so we need to make some drastic changes asap.

Summits, conferences, targets, aims, quotas and intentions make no difference at all!

Climate change caused by man or not, the important thing to me is that we stop using up resources as if they are infinite and stop polluting the planet. Even here scientists are divided.

We bought a diesel car because we were all told they were better for the environment. It was then discovered not only was the science wrong but some German manufacturers had fudged the emission rates and diesel cars were actually not environmentally friendly after all. Science is not absolute.

Science is not absolute.

Absolutely. I used to have a diesel car because there was less lead in the fuel than there was in the petrol. Then as things moved on the damage done by diesel fuels became proportionally more important and so we've moved away from diesel cars. That doesn't mean the scientific views were wrong to begin with.

We have the luxury (so far) of being able to disagree over climate change.

Those living in the actuality of it, where desertification is taking away a family’s ability to feed itself causing starvation, where the land is below sea level and year after year more flooding occurs salinating good farming land, where typhoons are increasing in number and strength and blowing away a family’s home, where ice is melting and making life for those adapted to live within the artic circle extremely difficult - none of those people have a choice, they are starving having to migrate where they will never be welcome ( I can’t see the U.K. welcoming a single one can you?)
They can’t choose. We can and choose to mitigate the damage, but we aren’t are we? Because we argue over the fact, we argue over the cause and we argue over the mitigation.

It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. People won’t give up their ‘luxeries’ to help. On another thread we had the money Brandon spent on his space flight. Unless we all adopt a simpler lifestyle this planet is doomed.

The problem as I see it WWM2, is that if people don't believe that climate change is due to CO2, or don't think it is man made, then its an excuse to say that there is no point doing anything about it, its just natural and nothing we can do will help.

There really is no difference of opinion in serious scientists about the cause, what we can do about it is another matter.

No serious difference between an overwhelming % of scientists but where it matters - politicians who make the decisions, just like during the pandemic, that is what will cause us to fail.

Whitewavemark2

No serious difference between an overwhelming % of scientists but where it matters - politicians who make the decisions, just like during the pandemic, that is what will cause us to fail.

Yes, 100% yes. I agree.

Blimey?

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Alegrias1

^There are conflicting opinions and some believe the emphasis on on CO2 gases is overplayed.^

Yes. The same 3% who think Climate Change isn't man made, I expect.

Skeptics are the perfect scientists.
Scientists must be sceptical.

just pointing out how curious people become scientists.

One or two are often ahead of the herd, and eventually what seems an unlikely idea, gathers momentum and becomes the next eureka moment.

Good discussion throws up interesting new (to me) knowledge.

OK, I expect I'll get the usual chorus of disapproving comments about this...

I'm a scientist. I'm sceptical when necessary and I understand how to differentiate between valid science that doesn't follow the party line, and people who don't understand what they are talking about.

My area of expertise was related to alternative energy sources. In the years since I did my PhD in that subject, I'm sure it has moved on a lot. Don't try to pretend that you know what makes a good scientist and I don't.

This thread is not quite three pages long, mostly the same posters. That alone shows, there’s more than 3%, who either don’t believe that humans can pull this planet to its knees, or don’t care.

They’ve seen various trials and tribulations throughout history, as far back as....dare I say it.....the Bible. Of course, not everyone believes the history books. However, still here we all are, going about our daily business, as people have done for centuries.

As a young woman, so not a Christian then, I still couldn’t fathom what was starting to be said. Us...insignificant humans were destroying a planet, which scientists told us, (and they had evidence for it), had been around for billions of years. Apparently with no problems until now!

Now, as a Christian, I understand God is in charge, and nothing is going to happen, until He says so. So no...I don’t need to worry, or do anything.

However, I understand completely, if you have no faith, you see it differently, and it would probably worry me too, were it not for the fact the earth seems to have survived so long before us.

So. What are you doing about it? Are you going to sit around and wait for the Government to do something? What is that by the way? Or are you going to start making small changes yourselves? Some things you could do:
1. Stop driving, shelve your cars.
2. No holidays unless you walk or cycle.
3. No lights on in your homes, except the room you’re sitting in.
4. Support local produce, or better still...grow your own.
5. Switch heating as low as you can.
6. Make sure your jobs, ( although realise this wouldn’t be applicable to many on here), are within walking distance to your home.

I’m sure there’s more. Instead of moaning about governments, if you really believe we are destroying our planet...do something, however small, to help. By your reckoning, that should be 97% of the population.

Discodancer well said.

So no...I don’t need to worry, or do anything.
And that's why we're doomed.

What are you doing about it?
Shall I send you a copy of the patents for the alternative energy sources I worked on?

The planet will be fine, by the way. Its humanity which is in trouble. (I had another word, but decided it was too rude.)

My son was yabbering about alternative sources something about heat transference, I think - but it might not have been.

I nodded.

Alegrias1

^So no...I don’t need to worry, or do anything.^
And that's why we're doomed.

What are you doing about it?
Shall I send you a copy of the patents for the alternative energy sources I worked on?

The planet will be fine, by the way. Its humanity which is in trouble. (I had another word, but decided it was too rude.)

Please do send me your info. Seriously...I’d like to read it. My husband, who is a scientist can explain it to me. Would you pm it though?

Don’t worry about being too rude, I’m sure I’ve heard much worse!!

No, I'd rather not, I don't want to out myself, but thank you for asking.

It's here though: www.edfenergy.com/for-home/energywise/renewable-energy-sources . Works well in sunny places

DiscoDancer1975

Alegrias1

So no...I don’t need to worry, or do anything.
And that's why we're doomed.

What are you doing about it?
Shall I send you a copy of the patents for the alternative energy sources I worked on?

The planet will be fine, by the way. Its humanity which is in trouble. (I had another word, but decided it was too rude.)

Please do send me your info. Seriously...I’d like to read it. My husband, who is a scientist can explain it to me. Would you pm it though?

Don’t worry about being too rude, I’m sure I’ve heard much worse!!

Alegrias, disco asked you ‘ what are you doing about it?’. I assumed she means now. You say you ‘ worked on’ alternative energy. That, I’m assuming is what you did about it. So years ago? What happened to your work?

‘ The planet will be fine’. So we’re not damaging it so as to make it uninhabitable? Nothing is changing on the planet? I thought that was the whole point. Then we would cease to exist because of it. So confusing.

Thank the Lord for God. He’s made it so much easier.

What happened to your work?

Just posted.

The planet has been here for billions of years, we've been here for what...a few hundred thousand? The planet will continue long after we've gone. It might be uninhabitable, but it will keep turning and doing its thing, just like Venus and all the others.

Alegrias1

No, I'd rather not, I don't want to out myself, but thank you for asking.

It's here though: www.edfenergy.com/for-home/energywise/renewable-energy-sources . Works well in sunny places

But this is your chance Alegrias. You’ve offered it, so why back out now? I don’t want to go to one of your many links. You’ve told us, what you’re ‘doing about it’. (Yes, toad, I did mean now. Not years ago, left on a shelf collecting dust.)

If this is ‘ what you’re doing about it ‘, then let’s see it. I promise you I am genuinely interested, because I wouldn’t know where to start changing things personally, apart from the few things on my list.

I'm not sending anybody anything that would give away my real name, you'll have to take it on faith