Shocking Stabbing

I live quite near and we have a large Sikh community. It's absolutely tragic what has happened, a senseless murder, the perpetrator was trying various houses doors to gain entry. There has been an big outcry on the local Nextdoor app & I saw something on the news about the Sikh community lobbying for more coverage, there should be more outrage definitely. That poor baby is going to grow up motherless.

Is the suspect white? There your answer if he is .

There was a man a few days ago who fled to South Africa after killing his wife and two daughters aged five and 15. Absolutely shocking. I believe he was arrested by South African police

I know, I was so saddened to hear that she had a little baby and was so happy. It's seems that these psychos are in our communities and I find it highly unlikely that they haven't come to the attention of the police, doctors and mental health services. It seems nobody is prepared to stand up and say when. a person is not fit to live in a community.

Yes I believe he is back here Shinamae. And yes Tuliptree he is white...and I think it is the answer.

Unimaginably horrific for the family and the wider neighbourhood. Dear God, what gets into these people?

Given he was trying doors in a random manner and also, I think stabbed someone in the street, it does not follow that the attack was racist.

He had no means of knowing the ethnicity of the people in the house he had got into and as he went into an unlit bedroom in the dark and randomly stabbed someone lying in a bed, it would be quite remarkable if in the brief second between walking into the room wielding a knife and stabbing someone he was able to gather any information about the ethnicity of the occupants in the bed.

That is all relevant too Monica. I think suspicions/ speculation as there is a large Sikh community in the area. But a good reminder not to speculate. No doubt more will be divulged.

M0nica

Given he was trying doors in a random manner and also, I think stabbed someone in the street, it does not follow that the attack was racist.

He had no means of knowing the ethnicity of the people in the house he had got into and as he went into an unlit bedroom in the dark and randomly stabbed someone lying in a bed, it would be quite remarkable if in the brief second between walking into the room wielding a knife and stabbing someone he was able to gather any information about the ethnicity of the occupants in the bed.

I agree if the area was not a Sikh community but if it was….

But I doubt, all the population was sikh, perhaps 25% plus, so there was no assuredness that the occupants of the house would be sikh.

and the murderer didi not check the ethnicity of the occupants before the stabbing.

Are you suggesting, M0nica, that this white man aged 44 was,"just" another lunatic intent on slaughtering someone for the sake of it?
If this was a prdominantly Sikh area, the presumption would be that there is a racist element to this crime.
What a tragedy for this young family.

Plevey08

I know, I was so saddened to hear that she had a little baby and was so happy. It's seems that these psychos are in our communities and I find it highly unlikely that they haven't come to the attention of the police, doctors and mental health services. It seems nobody is prepared to stand up and say when. a person is not fit to live in a community.

It's seems that these psychos are in our communities and I find it highly unlikely that they haven't come to the attention of the police, doctors and mental health services.

Sometimes these individuals are known to the above services. Care is managed under the Community Mental Health Framework - an integration of primary care, mental health services, and social care.

This 'framework' is severely understaffed and underfunded. The consequences of this theoretical holistic approach under such conditions is inevitable.

'Care in The Community' cannot function on the cheap. Austerity has to be lifted.

My late mother lived in a block of flats where a man with mental health problems also lived. He used to rampage and terrify the other residents. My mother, a retired SRN, used to attempt to calm him down and/or persuade him to take his medication. She was, basically, left to get on with it. Fortunately, although his outbursts were alarming, he didn't hurt anyone - but might have done, there was no way of knowing. He simply was not being monitored adequately because the case workloads were too intense for those integrated services.

Obviously, we don't know if the perpetrator of this awful murder had mental health problems that were being monitored. But this what springs to mind when you hear about these random acts of violence.

I don't know, but do believe, that there are individuals walking around among us who are a danger to the public, and themselves. On one or two occasions, this has proved to be the case.

It's not acceptable.

On the news is reporting it as a hate crime.

I do not think anything can be presumed. In fact it is 'presumptions, whipped up by others that cause race riots.

I do not know exactly who the assailant was, or why he was where he was, but I would be very slow to suggest that an attack like this was necessarily racist, just because the victim was of Asian origin. I would require very good evidence to make that assumption.

It is not 'just' anything, a murder never is 'just', however you define the word.

My blood runs cold reading this.

My sister, a widow, was woken by an intruder in her bedroom a few months ago. It was 3am, and the intruder thought the house was empty, until she stirred.
She was ordered to stay in bed. The man, in a balaclava, held a knife to her face, threatening her. He demanded to know where she kept jewellery and money, and where her handbag was.

He stole her purse her phone, her iPad and took her jewellery box.
Then he fled. My sister found drawers and cupboards open down stairs.
A little tip here. If you have a landline phone, do keep it.
She was able to phone the police, who arrived very quickly. They made the back door secure, where he had broken in.
She was very shaken up, obviously.

There are some very nasty people out there, who think nothing of hurting others. We are so very thankful my sister was unharmed.

That poor family. I wonder why that poor woman was targeted? Just awful.

I remember being a social worker when care in the community became the policy. And we all kept saying that it would cost more - that it could not be done on the cheap. It was dressed up as being the right thing to do morally, but it was clear that it was hoped that there would be savings.

My point is that if he is white that explains the lack of outrage at the slaughter of a Sikh woman.

Male violence again
It is rarely women

Just a few nights ago a prog was on TV about schoolboy Harvey Wilgoose who was stabbed to death at school by another boy Mohammed Umar Khan. It was absolutely horrifying and very frightening.

Tuliptree

My point is that if he is white that explains the lack of outrage at the slaughter of a Sikh woman.

My son’s friend was killed in a stabbing. The outrage was because he was only 17 yo
I just find it incomprehensible tbh that people are picking up kitchen utensils and killing other people with them. This isn’t evolving, this is the fastest way to living in hell

JaneJudge

Male violence again
It is rarely women

Yes but some people only care about certain acts of male violence depending on the colour of the perpetrator. This thread imo is about that, not about his motive or that he was male but the lack of concern for the family affected.

Primrose53

Just a few nights ago a prog was on TV about schoolboy Harvey Wilgoose who was stabbed to death at school by another boy Mohammed Umar Khan. It was absolutely horrifying and very frightening.

Yes Primrose I remember it well. And your point is about this case?

Maybe it’s more frightening when the victim is white?