Racists in Reform UK! Shock horror!!!

yanda, I was disconcerted by the Reform councillor who spoke about a female colleague, saying that he would " sniff her chair" and " if she gave me a hug, I would definitely finger her".
I'm not sure what I could say about this man that would not be " unkind".

With respect, that is not naming them.

Look, Reform are inviting us to vote for them, and that means every single aspect of our lives - our healthcare, our care for those most in need, access to decent MH and neurodivergent care, our Education for all our futures, the good management of natural resources like water and rail and energy, climate change and what it is doing to folks all over the world:

to a good foreign policy that works for our farmers and businessmen and women, counters the dangers from Russia and now the USA, to working properly on protection against abuse for women, children and vulnerable men...

These are valid queries, and it's not unreasonable to ask for more - what is your POV, do posters who support Reform actually know what they are?

I don't, but I could tell you Party and Lib dems on the same, broadly speaking, so would assume GN's speaking up for Reform can tell us a bit, not merely speak up against a more left wing POV

I was commenting on the previous post (s) which just grumbled about "lefties".

Frankly it really worries me, because I suspect that the vast majority of reform supporters support the immigration policy, but have no idea about anything else, so their vote would mean that we are landed with some very dodgy domestic policy because of one policy they are offering.

What I do worry about is that the demography that is likely to support reform, do so because of the very poor life chances they have experienced throughout their life, and I am 100% certain that reform will never change these chances.

This demographics’ relationship to the economic system, where opportunity is so limited will not change because assuming that reform export all asylum seekers (less than 1%) it will make not a jot of difference either to the culture or life chances of the poor and or working/middle class.

Nothing will change.

So much 'just talking to themselves' has somehow made it to page four.

That's all there is to go on so far, the promises about solving the immigration policy.
Could Reform actually achieve this?
One way to 'know' would be to examine other things they have promised to do, and have a close look at how successful that has been.

How have they fared since their amazing successes in the local council elections?

Chocolatelovinggran....I've heard this kind of language spoke before. It's not exclusive to the Reform party. I agree its disgusting...go undercover in any pub with a group of blokes and you would no doubt hear this kind of language used.

go undercover in any pub with a group of blokes and you would no doubt hear this kind of language used

I think they might suss me out very quickly!

These are elected officials,
making disgusting comments,
even about their own female counterparts,
from a party claiming to protect women and children,
and the Reform leaders are trying to gloss over it,
using the same excuses that you are.
No. It is being called out.

yanda

Chocolatelovinggran....I've heard this kind of language spoke before. It's not exclusive to the Reform party. I agree its disgusting...go undercover in any pub with a group of blokes and you would no doubt hear this kind of language used.

That’s not really the point!

I think you know this, and actually when I started work initially I worked for quite a few years in a male dominated business, and I drank with them regularly and we were “comrades in arms” and some were considerably younger than myself, very rarely did I hear such gross comments!

Maremia

These are elected officials,
making disgusting comments,
even about their own female counterparts,
from a party claiming to protect women and children,
and the Reform leaders are trying to gloss over it,
using the same excuses that you are.
No. It is being called out.

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And bad luck if they don’t like it!

Wonder how their own wives and daughters feel? I know how I’d feel and what I’d say to my own husbands or our sons!

No. It is being called out.

As well it should be. It's a culture that belongs in the past, it is not the future of the UK and anyone who thinks this is acceptable should be called out and not be in public office.

Whitewavemark2

It isn’t a question of Reform being taken over. They were racist from the start, that is why they have attracted all the dregs.

Precisely. It was never in doubt that racism is what early Reform-ers harnessed in order to appear to be a real party (it isn't, btw, but that's for another thread).

Meandrogrog

Why do you want me to start a thread and have a sensible debate on what? I tend to try to avoid commenting on political threads now because in my view it has become a left wing echo chamber.

It's not necessary to start a thread and you don't need to in order to make a point. You can just as easily do that in this one.

I think you were being 'encouraged' to stick your neck out and start one to highlight the benefits of a future Reform government so that the party's opponents could either debate or attack them. Starting a thread is a bit of a commitment, you are unofficially compelled to continually return to it to defend your position, or at least acknowledge that you've bothered to read the comments... you might have other plans for the day.

If this is indeed a 'left-wing echo chamber', then that could be because the majority of posters on N&P threads are left-leaning which is, well, just the way it is. I understand it can be uncomfortable being a dissenting voice in an echo-chamber, but you have jumped in, so why not comment on some of the factual evidence of, for example, the sexist - and sometimes crude - comments made by would-be Reform councillors? I, for one, would like to know if this worries you - in terms of what a future Reform government might mean for women?

I'd also like to know how an ordinary Reform-voter feels about the possible 'deportation programme'. If you live in an area which is hosting hundreds of asylum seekers, your opinion might be more valid than those who live in the leafy suburbs which don't.

Personally, I think Farage is using the legitimate grievances of ordinary people in order to create a political environment that best suits his rather rich donors, backers and advisors - and himself. He wants to / intends to "shrink the state", this would affect many, if not most, of us on GN one way or another.

Healthcare is important to our demographic. Farage favours an insurance-based system and, though he explicitly points to the European models - economists and healthcare analysts warn that Reform's specific policies are more aligned with the mechanics of the US system of healthcare. Does it need to be pointed out the number of US citizens who are without cover because they simply can't afford it? How do you feel about this?

Maybe instead of simply accusing Farage's opponents of being 'lefties' (which might not be true anyway) - why not have the courage of your conviction and tell us how you think we will, as a country, be better off under a Reform-led government? That's what is being asked of you.

The silence speaks for itself.

I'm afraid to say I have been turning over the comment about "bath night" in my mind. This person obviously has some knowledge of child abuse.
Sick.

And incest

It is very upsetting, that elected politicians can think this way.

Whitewavemark2

The silence speaks for itself.

... well, give Meandrogrog half a chance - real-life sometimes takes precedence, and it was only a matter of minutes since I posted! LOL!

But I am concerned about the attitude of some far-right... or farther right than the Conservatives anyway - male councillors, would-be councillors and ordinary voters. The traditional SAH mother is a right-wing philosophy, although I have met some left-wing chauvinists in the past. Nothing wrong with women-in-the-home whilst the men bring in the bacon - if it's by choice. But when men see Feminism as a threat to their dominance and devise ways to put women back in their lane, as they see it, then I'm afraid. Would Reform pander to the misogynists who want women disenfranchised of further education and, even, the vote?

I really want to hear what those who intend to vote for Reform have to say about this.

…..and the 1000’s of male asylum seekers are so into women’s rights and the feminist movement.

These threads couldn’t get more ridiculous if they tried.
No wonder no one, other than the usual half a dozen, don’t bother.

But surely it is possible to be concerned about more than one thing?

Undocumented males seeking asylum and people who clain to be part of a reputable political party saying awful things?

JenniRen

It's not a case of right, left, centre, it's a matter of sheer decency, Meandrogrog

Exactly

Kandinsky

…..and the 1000’s of male asylum seekers are so into women’s rights and the feminist movement.

These threads couldn’t get more ridiculous if they tried.
No wonder no one, other than the usual half a dozen, don’t bother.

Are you saying the comments weren’t offensive and the public shouldn’t be worried about people like Farage and co running the country because migrant males are not anti-misogyny?

I’m really trying to understand the point you’re making.