This has been prompted by looking at Kemi Badenoch's 'The Right Way' publication while on the thread about voting for the tories.
I know my view of how the national economy of a country with a sovereign currency works are generally thought to be wrong/boring/misguided etc. But I've been wanting to set this 'challenge' for quite a while and I got Ghatgtp on the job to help me. We came up with this:
If government spending is always limited to money obtained through taxation and borrowing, and there has never been any government-created money, what provides the additional purchasing power needed to sustain economic growth—particularly in a country that runs a persistent trade deficit?
I hope it is neutral enough. I think it reflects the majority perception of how a government economy works. It would be interesting if people could run it past their own favourite AI programme and see what answers it comes up with.
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An AI challenge about the workings of a national economy.
(5 Posts)Google AI:
AI Overview
Commercial bank credit creation and foreign capital inflows are the primary mechanisms that provide the additional purchasing power needed to sustain economic growth under those specific conditions.
When government money creation is taken out of the equation, the economy relies on private sector mechanisms and international capital to expand its money supply and maintain demand.
1. Commercial Bank Credit (Endogenous Money)
In modern economies, the vast majority of money is not created by the government, but by commercial banks through the lending process.
• Loans Create Deposits: When a bank approves a mortgage, business loan, or credit card limit, it does not lend out someone else's savings. Instead, it credits the borrower's account with new digital deposit money.
• Expanding the Money Supply: This endogenous money creation expands the total purchasing power in the economy. As long as businesses and consumers are willing to borrow and banks are willing to lend, the domestic money supply can grow to facilitate economic expansion, even without government-created currency.
2. Foreign Capital Inflows (The Capital Account Surplus)
A persistent trade deficit means a country is spending more on foreign goods and services than it is earning from its own exports. This creates a net outflow of domestic currency. However, thanks to double-entry bookkeeping in international economics, a current account deficit (trade deficit) must be balanced by a capital account surplus.
• Reinvesting the Deficit: The domestic currency that leaves the country to pay for imports does not sit idle. Foreign entities use those funds to buy domestic assets, such as corporate bonds, stocks, real estate, or government debt.
• Recycling Purchasing Power: This inflow of foreign investment capital injects purchasing power back into the domestic financial system, providing the liquidity needed to fund domestic investments and sustain economic growth.
3. Increased Velocity of Money
Economic growth can also occur without an expansion of the absolute volume of money if the velocity of money increases. Velocity is the frequency with which a single unit of currency is spent on new goods and services within a given period. If financial systems become more efficient or confidence rises, money changes hands faster, allowing a fixed pool of money to support a larger volume of economic transactions (GDP).
If you would like to explore this topic further, I can provide more details on:
• How fractional reserve banking or endogenous money theory works.
• The relationship between the trade deficit and national debt.
• How monetary policy (interest rates) influences this private money creation.
Thanks, Casdon.
I had three reservations about this analysis.
Firstly, though commercial bank loans create 'money' for increased purchasing power, your AI says nothing about the fact that it creates private sector debt and so does not account for how this is to be repaid. Additionally, the interest charged on the loan requires more to be repaid than is actually borrowed, thus contributing to the bank's profits which, once business costs have been accounted for, are distributed as dividends to shareholders.
As these shareholders tend to be the already wealthy, with an empirically proven 'marginal propensity to spend' (i.e they tend not to spend extra income) this affects the second point about which I have reservations, the velocity of money. I am perfectly well acquainted with the concept, and that of the multiplier effect, but if the larger part of the money is going to those who tend not to spend it, the velocity will inevitable slow, rather than increase.
Also, the velocity of money is flow, not a stock and does nothing to increase the quantity of money (the stock) available for economic activity.
The third reservation is about the role of borrowing from foreign entities, which, it seems to me, could end up with most of the country's assets being in foreign hands and the cost of servicing the foreign debt preventing the use of tax revenue for spending on public services. A dilemma associated with underdeveloped third world countries...
I have to say that the last situation was presented to me by another AI agent as being either good or bad, depending on your political economic stance. Good from a globalist point of view, that it doesn't matter who owns what, and Bad from the view of lost sovereignty and wealth.
I put your google AI's analysis to my Chatgtp and I have to say that it identified much the same points.
It's been interesting.
Does anyone else have a contribution?
Of course the AI models have similar responses they are parroting from the same source
Nowhere does it say that governments have their own controls on lending or that investors access risk of repayment a demand a higher (lower) interest rate depending on their view of future exchange rate.
Repayment at higher(lower)
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