Hundreds of illegal migrants to be put in existing military barracks

David49

Countries that are deemed unsafe to return migrants include Turkey, India and Jamaica, you might understand Afghanistan being unsafe so may be surprised learn that some have been granted Asylum, then returned home for a holiday.

It's a farce we are all being taken for fools.

The Home office has a list of safe states for asylum seekers- your list doesn’t correlate.

MaizieD

^Well unless you want everyone to be drowned when France refuses to take them back - and why should they? (goes away muttering, reminding GN's that around 94% of incomers come legally and the govt are taking more action on both these matters than previous ones. And actually speeding up the processing.^

I think that drowning is the preferred solution, Wyllow. That, or a mass abduction by aliens to take them to a galaxy far far away. They certainly don’t seem to be considered fit to exist on the same planet as the British…

What a horrible comment

David49 regular tourists or economic migrants who arrive without a visa can be summarily turned away... asylum seekers can not as they are treated under a separate legal framework.

I expect you know this?

David I believe that you are wrong about India.
Turkey and Jamaica do have some particular challenges:

Under the framework established by the Illegal Migration Act, India is officially listed as a "Safe State" (Section 80AA) list. Maybe you missed this as I believe this was in 2023.

You are right that Jamaica is not on this list though it used to be. It was actively removed in 2015.
So, we don't operate fast-track removal to Jamaica or declare asylum claims automatically invalid.

We can and do still return or deport someone to Jamaica if they have no legal right to stay in the UK (like an overstayed visitor or someone who has committed a crime), but if that person submits an asylum or human rights claim, the Home Office cannot just ignore it.
Jamaicans are given a review.
Most reviews are on the basis of sexuality. I don't think this is unreasonable because of the well documented appalling treatment of LGBTQ+ people there.

Turkey is not on the statutory "safe" list either, but the UK actively and aggressively returns people there through a fast-track agreement.

However, political dissidents/activists and people vocal about Kurdish rights are in danger in Turkey.
Economic migrants are handled as routine returns but if they are on the radar of the Turkish state or police for political or ethnic reasons, UK courts treat Turkey as unsafe and will block the deportation.

So although David you are right technically about Turkey and Jamaica - we can and do still return people there - but not without looking at their actual situation first.

I agree with NotSpghetti.

The UK considers all asylum seeker applications from any countries on a case by case basis under the 1951 Refugee Convention. In relation to Jamaica and Turkey Acceptance rates are relatively low compared to conflict zones like Sudan or Syria.

Of applications from asylum seekers ( relatively low number of applications) from Turkey acceptance rates have been around 19% in recent years- rates fluctuate as case workers evaluate political, religious or minority based persecution crimes.

Jamaica is not a worn torn country but applications are accepted for consideration in the same way- ( applications numbers are low) there must be a well founded fear of persecution, such as targeted gang violence or state inability to protect evidenced and the acceptance rate is very low

But given that it still has the colonial era "Unnatural Offences (Buggery)" law there is a lot of hostility.

There is documented aggression and violence towards the gay community. The tariff - up to 10 years imprisonment with hard labour.

Posterity will surely view what is happening as classic population shift, caused by war and famine. We are fortunate to live where we do and could be more charitable.

An obvious partial solution would be to allow asylum seekers to work while waiting for their cases to be heard.

winterwhite

Posterity will surely view what is happening as classic population shift, caused by war and famine. We are fortunate to live where we do and could be more charitable.

An obvious partial solution would be to allow asylum seekers to work while waiting for their cases to be heard.

Agree winterwhite.

The Home Secretary is presenting a bill to Parliament next week with a proposed safe asylum route that will allow asylum seekers to work and will be screened before they come to the uK- I understand see "Government announces Ukrainian style scheme....." current post.

And if I’ve heard correctly, there will be some sort of scheme where people can sponsor refugees and have them live with them….