German voters slide inexorably to common sense …

BlueBelle

I won’t be joining either, but to hear someone use ‘reform’ and ‘common sense’ in the same sentence makes me shudder

Reform are incapable of forming a government here, it could only be achieved by joining the Conservatives and that’s unlikely thankfully.
If Burnham becomes PM and turns this government around there’s every possibility that Labour will win the next GE.

Oreo

People have a very different mindset to those of nearly a hundred years ago but will still naturally feel resentful when they see their governments acting wrongly and then floundering about with no answers.

Sorry, I am still not getting in which way.

Reform are incapable of forming a government here, it could only be achieved by joining the Conservatives and that’s unlikely thankfully.

Dont agree with that either.

Sorry, not getting at you, and quite often I agree with you, but dont think I do today!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Good luck to the AfD and Reform.
Common sense is finally emerging. The welfarism cannot (and should not) be sustained.

Totally agree!

The very thought of Burnham as PM makes me shudder far more than any situation in Germany.

Tbh the extreme left is dangerous but this is definitely not a present threat in western countries and hasn’t been for a very long time so mentioning this doesn’t really help the argument.
Also, despite my comment earlier, I don’t think is fair to make parallels between German voters and the 1930s when there is far right politics in the US and other western countries including the UK.
We need to get our own house in order because I do believe the far right is a very dangerous political ideology, especially when we see the rent a mob thugs who are the sharp end of the wedge.
Whatever issues voters are concerned about this is not going to be a solution and I fear will just cause further division and violent unrest.
Sadly when I saw the OPs post, as a Jew - and I know I don’t represent all Jewish people - with relatives who perished in Treblinka, my blood did run cold, but I realise now that this is unfair when it is happening in so many western countries right now.

There is so much AfD published information out there about what they would do if they got into power. What I have copied is just the tip of an almighty iceberg.

Anyone willing to continue to support them after fully understanding the implication of their policies does not imo deserve a place in civil society.

I have no wish to enter conversation with such people.

Reform are not far right but The Restore Party is. A lot of people are fed up with the Uniparty after 14 years of the Conservatives and 2 years of Labour our country has gone down the pan. Only Reform is listening to voters concerns.

Reform wouldn’t have the numbers necessary to form a government fancythat
People do change mindsets in nearly a hundred years about very many things, we remain human with all our flaws but are generally more liberal.
Modern Germans are aware of their past and want to bury it.
Could a person in the 1920’s have envisaged gay marriage, that trans people would be accepted, that welfare would prevent utter poverty? Attitudes change as well as laws.

^Anyone willing to continue to support them after fully understanding the implication of their policies does not imo deserve a place in civil society.
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What does this mean?
At face value, it sounds awful.

I think I am out of this thread too.

Whitewavemark2

There is so much AfD published information out there about what they would do if they got into power. What I have copied is just the tip of an almighty iceberg.

Anyone willing to continue to support them after fully understanding the implication of their policies does not imo deserve a place in civil society.

I have no wish to enter conversation with such people.

Are you in conversation with German ADF friends then?And they haven’t got into power yet.

There’s no need for anyone to announce they’re out of this thread, why not debate your corner?

And remember that the whole of Europe isn’t sliding into a very right wing bloc.
Hungary has just proved that.

There is a lot of information about the ADF. I think Germans will be making a mistake by voting them in. I don't believe any extreme right party is good for any country.

Well I too will take my leave having said my piece and leave it to others to hammer it out.
Tbh I find it all really alarming.

AGAA4

There is a lot of information about the ADF. I think Germans will be making a mistake by voting them in. I don't believe any extreme right party is good for any country.

You’re right, and neither is any extreme left wing Party.The best is usually quite centrist.
Fortunately Europe has democracies and votes out the ones that mess up at the next GE.

Fallingstar

Well I too will take my leave having said my piece and leave it to others to hammer it out.
Tbh I find it all really alarming.

I must leave too, for a shower and shopping with DD’s but may be back later.
Governments must answer to their people.

I think we should all ask ourselves before we vote, who is funding this party, what links does this party have with other countries' parties and what links do those countries have with Russia? We are having to make hard choices about funding our security versus funding our public services because we can see that Russia is a potential threat to Europe, yet people are willing to support and vote for a party that has proven links to Russia. They are prepared to march behind a man, who was actually in Russia not the UK, encouraging British people to riot. I despair!!

Maybe Germany should like at why voters are turning away from the main stream parties, could it have anything to do with Angela Merkel’s open door policy

It is commendable to look after those in need and distress, but a governments first duty is the safety and welfare of its own citizens.

I understand why people are worried about immigration but we should be focussing on the real danger to all of us that is Russia.

AGAA4

I understand why people are worried about immigration but we should be focussing on the real danger to all of us that is Russia.

The two extremely important situations are not mutually exclusive 🤦‍♀️

No but one seems to take precedence with many people. GG13 and it's not Russia.

Absolutely, which is why it's important that the issue of funding for parties ie Reform and the links Reform has with Russia is not forgotten. Russian bots were also used to influence the Brexit vote. Why did Russia want the UK out of Europe? Well, it's pretty obvious isn't it.

I think the defence of our country is far more important than immigration. Healy and others expect an attack by the end of this decade. Will we be worrying about immigration if our country is under attack?