Migrants Hated everywhere??

And no, I dont think I will add anything more to the thread. Or indeed read the comments[already been said for 3? years so far?].

I would argue that a minority of migrants are a drain on our economy, those asylum seekers granted work visas and going on to become British passport holders, contribute to the economy by often working their socks off, many doing several jobs in one day. An immigrant work force has definitely made this country stronger economically over the decades. My beef is that work visas need to be processed far more rapidly so that migrants can escape their hotel rooms etc., and start working for a living.
As for a weak economy in the UK today and long term unemployment etc., that is due to bad management by the government not down to migrants draining the economy. And down to the trickle up of money to those at the top of the tree.

I think it's the illegal immigrants that have been vilified unfortunately a lot of people can not seem to differentiate between legal and illegal .
My own parents were legal immigrants from Europe and came just after the war, my DH maternal great grandparents came from France and was brought over to oversee the opening of a factory here .
They all made an effort to learn the language and integrate into the community.
I am not in agreement with the burning of buildings and cars and the rioting that is happening in Belfast, this area has seen its fair share of discrimination over the years.
Instead of politicians saying inflammatory drivel would never it not be better if they worked together to stop the continual influx.
I would like to remind everyone all European countries also have an illegal immigration problem we are not the only country.

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Me too Bazza

Sunshinegirls

Most arriving on boats are not being forced by evil traffikers, they are not rounded up and forced to come over on the boats they want to come they are economic migrants. I think mostly its the ones coming over in the boats that people have issue with and the perceived unfairness of it all. I'm certain I would hate it if an HMO was next to me full of young men. Governments have ignored their voters concerns and I can understand peoples frustration with it all.

I agree totally
Why don’t they fly over instead of coming on the dangerous boats? I don’t understand that at all but I’m sure somebody will come along with a rational explanation…
(and I’m sure a flight would be a lot cheaper than the thousands they have to pay to come on the small boats). 🤔

paddyann54

This is all being ramped up by the likes of Farage &Co Itstartedwith his poster of immigrants queuing before Brexit.
This man needs jailed for inciting hatred.. sadly he,s targeting people of low intelligence who believe his sorry tales of immigrants being the root of all their woes…when in fact it’s men in suits in Parliament or in Farage,s case who got voted in but like his other jobs..doesn,t turn up and gets large sums of cash from dubious sources.
This is certainly not the Scotland we know ,we have always fought FOR people not scapegoated them

The Scotland you claim to know is not the Scotland that is, or ever has been. There are 17 Reform MSPs sitting in the Scottish parliament more have been elected as councillors. There have been widespread anti-immigrant demonstrations throughout Scotland. These Scots are not fighting for or welcoming immigrants.

As a second generation immigrant to Scotland l can assure you the Scots have not always proved welcoming. You have previously (rather rudely) told me to leave Scotland because l didn't agree with your politics, and therefore wrongly assumed l was unhappy here. I wonder how welcoming you believe that is.

Sunshinegirls

Most arriving on boats are not being forced by evil traffikers, they are not rounded up and forced to come over on the boats they want to come they are economic migrants. I think mostly its the ones coming over in the boats that people have issue with and the perceived unfairness of it all. I'm certain I would hate it if an HMO was next to me full of young men. Governments have ignored their voters concerns and I can understand peoples frustration with it all.

The council have plans to put one across from my mum for 9 men.
There is an elderly lady attached to the house next door whose 86.
She has a sign up saying she doesn’t want HMO next to her ( well all the residents have these signs in their windows, apparently they need 300 signatures against for council to do anything.
My friend who is 82, ill with lung cancer was telling me this morning, that the HMO five doors up from her, are burning wood in an old barrel into the early hours.
She said she can’t get any sleep for the racket. The council don’t want to know.
Another HMO near us is a disgrace. The garden is filled with rubbish & overgrown. Police are always there.
Most of people I know who say they don’t mind, it’s because they don’t to live near by.
TBH, I feel sorry for my friend & that woman who’s going to be living next door to that HMO.

The council may not 'want to know' just now, but they will be coming up for election at some point.

Bazza

Absolutely spot on Grannygravy. What no one has said, and I hope I don’t regret putting it out there, but most of the extreme heinous crimes and rapes in this country are done by mirgrants, or from migrant families whose sons have been born in this country. I have great respect for those who come here to work and have a better and safer life, but boatloads of unregistered young men make me very uneasy.

Walking down any dark street at night where men loiter makes me very uneasy, doesn’t matter if they are migrants or not.
Looking at women killed by those they knew over the past few years it seems that many are killed by white English men. And the most heinous crimes can be committed by any man regardless of their nationality or religion as Jimmy Savile and Harold Shipman have proved, and they are not alone by any means.

Maremia, that's the only time they promise all the things we want to hear, but never materialise

Hate is way too general a word to use in this context, it's far more nuanced than that. There are communities who feel marginalised maybe from a lack of housing that they cannot afford. We hear about SERCO buying up swathes of what might have been viable rental properties that are now no longer available, how do individuals, families set up independently when there isn't anywhere to live. That situation is not dissimilar to what's been in the news in parts of Europe. Residents of Spain and its islands have held mass demonstrations against tourism, because they've been shafted! No affordable accommodation, who should be prioritized if not the local population. Who is to blame? Respective governments it's their job to sort out cause and effect.

Whilst Farage/Lowe et al could be described as agents provocateurs, insomuch of the political capital they can make out of local discontent and are definitely poking the hornet's nest.

Firstly, a bare minimum to ask of any foreign national is they respect the laws, the people and the culture and eventually learn the language of where they wish to live in. Of course it applies to those from this country who reside overseas, and no that's not always evident from what we read in the news at times. There are a multitude of stories that hit the headlines, often with regard to sexual assaults carried out by foreign nationals. to add to the ones being committed to by white British men, but as stated umpteen times before do we need to allow sexual deviants and murderers to settle here, haven't we enough of our own ??? I don't think there was anything that illustrated an entitled lack of respect more than the man who went on to kill Rhiannon White, chucking biscuits back in her face when she offered him those. The prevailing attitude in many parts of Europe, Denmark, Sweden, Germany is to deport those who import criminal activities to their countries because it's destroying the social cohesion in their cities which have become no go areas.

However, whilst multiculturalism in all its guises bring umpteen benefits, one of the great aspects about London it's always had such a cosmopolitan vibe going back centuries and who doesn't love the Italian/Indian/Thai/Turkish/West Indian/Spanish/Japanese/Chinese/Korean the new wave of West African restaurants, coffee shops on our local high street. However, recent influxes have brought with them the umpteen barber/vape shops, how many does any one small high street need? Particularly as it is reported they're at times a front for nefarious activities. Why would any resident want young men hanging around, chewing khat and then spitting the remains of that out all over the pavement, as if umpteen bits of chewing gum isn't bad enough.

Of course we can and do benefit from immigration, of course many from overseas will adapt and bring benefits to their new found country. It's not an either or of no immigration or allow everybody no matter who they are to come here.We need to be able to discuss the Elephant in the Room without being labelled Far Right, we have imported criminal elements as indeed other countries have. We do not need to allow them to stay here, because sometimes even when they're deported they return.

MT62 - please contact Environmental Protection. There are limitations on noise, and times of noise, and burning unsuitable products is covered by clean air acts

Why don’t they fly over instead of coming on the dangerous boats? I don’t understand that at all but I’m sure somebody will come along with a rational explanation… (and I’m sure a flight would be a lot cheaper than the thousands they have to pay to come on the small boats).

Because you cannot fly or travel by ship or train to the UK without pre-approved travel documents that authorise the carrier to let you travel. Carriers who let people travel without these documents face very heavy fines.

Even so, travel documents only allow you to travel. They do not guarantee admittance to the UK at the port.

Reference the fairly recent thread about overseas residents who have dual British citizenship who now need a British passport to be guaranteed entry to the UK.

There is no legal system that permits individuals to board a commercial plane, ship or train to travel to the UK to claim asylum.

Individuals must be physically present in the UK to lodge a claim - which is why people come by small boats or are smuggled in road vehicles.

In addition, people fleeing war and persecution often leave in secrecy or under immediate threats. In many cases, it is logistically impossible or dangerously unsafe for them to visit government offices or embassies in their origin countries to secure standard travel documents and other permissions.

I don’t hate migrants but I just feel
‘Indifferent’ they don’t affect my life one way or the other.
But can see how it affects others.

Bazza not sure where you get the idea that ‘most’ rapes in UK are carried out by men from ethnic minorities (although I can probably guess)…

This factual data is from gov.uk:

“Official data on the ethnicity of sexual offenders and defendants highlights the following:

Prosecutions and Convictions:
Ministry of Justice data for indictable offenses shows that where ethnicity is known, approximately 83% of prosecuted and convicted defendants are White.

Group-Based Abuse:
Analyses of child sexual abuse and gang-related offenses reveal similar trends. Reports from the National Police Chiefs' Council show that the vast majority of suspects in group-based abuse cases are White (85%), followed by Asian (7%) and Black”

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^Why don’t they fly over instead of coming on the dangerous boats? I don’t understand that at all but I’m sure somebody will come along with a rational explanation… (and I’m sure a flight would be a lot cheaper than the thousands they have to pay to come on the small boats).^

Because you cannot fly or travel by ship or train to the UK without pre-approved travel documents that authorise the carrier to let you travel. Carriers who let people travel without these documents face very heavy fines.

Even so, travel documents only allow you to travel. They do not guarantee admittance to the UK at the port.

Reference the fairly recent thread about overseas residents who have dual British citizenship who now need a British passport to be guaranteed entry to the UK.

There is no legal system that permits individuals to board a commercial plane, ship or train to travel to the UK to claim asylum.

Individuals must be physically present in the UK to lodge a claim - which is why people come by small boats or are smuggled in road vehicles.

In addition, people fleeing war and persecution often leave in secrecy or under immediate threats. In many cases, it is logistically impossible or dangerously unsafe for them to visit government offices or embassies in their origin countries to secure standard travel documents and other permissions.

Eastern Europeans aren’t facing persecution are they? Apart from the Ukraine. So Why do they need to come over on these boats?

Who do you mean by Eastern Europeans?

For the year ended 31 March 2026 there were 17,623 port returns i.e. people refused entry. EU nationals, who previously accounted for a minority, now make up more than half (56%) of all port returns. Romanian nationals have been the most frequent nationality refused entry since 2012.

Just because someone arrives doesn't mean they are guaranteed entry unless they claim asylum. Even then ...

Asylum claims by EU nationals made on or after 19 November 2015 must be declared inadmissible unless exceptional circumstances apply.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/eea-and-eu-asylum-claims-instruction/asylum-policy-instruction-eeaeu-asylum-claims-accessible

The white population in England is something like 80%, much higher in Scotland and Wales more mono cultured and standing at around 92%. It goes without saying therefore that most of the crime committed in Britain will be from the predominate British demographic. The point many are making are the numbers of crimes committed by certain demographics disproportionate to their numbers?

People tend to generalise. Football fans must all be yobs because of the small minority who are, Teenage drivers, particularly boys, must all drive irresponsibly because of those who do. Consequently, all migrants are tarred with the same brush as the few who make the headlines when they commit crime. We stereotype.

LizzieDrip

Bazza not sure where you get the idea that ‘most’ rapes in UK are carried out by men from ethnic minorities (although I can probably guess)…

This factual data is from gov.uk:

“Official data on the ethnicity of sexual offenders and defendants highlights the following:

Prosecutions and Convictions:
Ministry of Justice data for indictable offenses shows that where ethnicity is known, approximately 83% of prosecuted and convicted defendants are White.

Group-Based Abuse:
Analyses of child sexual abuse and gang-related offenses reveal similar trends. Reports from the National Police Chiefs' Council show that the vast majority of suspects in group-based abuse cases are White (85%), followed by Asian (7%) and Black”

Thank you.

I think it’s fair to say that those awful sexual and murderous crimes that have been committed by migrants are often far more publicised by both our leaders and far-right politicians.

MT62

The most common nationalities of people crossing the English Channel in small boats to the UK are:-

Eritrean, Afghan, Sudanese, Iranian, and Somali nationals. Together, these groups account for over three-fifths of all small boat arrivals.

A detailed breakdown of the most recent Home Office data reveals the shifting makeup of these crossings:

Eritrea: 18% of arrivals
Afghanistan: 11% of arrivals
Sudan: 11% of arrival
Iran: 11% of arrivals
Somalia: 10% of arrivals

15:35MT62

How awful having multiply undocumented young men plonked next door to you the government/council should hang their heads in shame.Do you remember Yvette Cooper and others with their signs bet they'd be pleased having HMOs next to them, oh but it's only us poor people living in already rundown neighbourhoods who have to have them.

I think it would be a good idea if the crime figures could be released as percentages per origins/asylum seekers. For comparison with British born criminals.

This could allay some concerns and fears.

Mind you if they are high for some ethnicities it might have the opposite impact.

LizzieDrip

Bazza not sure where you get the idea that ‘most’ rapes in UK are carried out by men from ethnic minorities (although I can probably guess)…

This factual data is from gov.uk:

“Official data on the ethnicity of sexual offenders and defendants highlights the following:

Prosecutions and Convictions:
Ministry of Justice data for indictable offenses shows that where ethnicity is known, approximately 83% of prosecuted and convicted defendants are White.

Group-Based Abuse:
Analyses of child sexual abuse and gang-related offenses reveal similar trends. Reports from the National Police Chiefs' Council show that the vast majority of suspects in group-based abuse cases are White (85%), followed by Asian (7%) and Black”

Isn't that due to the fact that the majority of people in this country are white?