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Migrants Hated everywhere??

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Cossy Fri 12-Jun-26 10:35:56

It’s pretty clear that some people in the UK despise migrants, I’m not sure why, but it could be a myriad of reasons from them simply being different to perceived, but not necessarily true, beliefs around their faith, to causing, or at least adding to, housing issues, taking up places in schools, using the NHS or any other valid, but not necessarily accurate reason.

I wonder do if these same people ever consider the vast amount of British people who live across the world, Canada/USA/Europe/UAE being the most common, and the reasons for moving are also varied.

In some countries the “natives” despise British interlopers, especially those who label themselves “ex-pats”. Reasons for disliking them? They don’t integrate, some don’t learn he language, some are disrespectful to locals. Mmmmm, sounds very familiar.

In some cases, decades ago, a good few criminals settled in parts of Spain, enough for it to be christened “The Costa del Crime”.

Doesn’t this illustrate that in some (not all) ways we are no different from migrants seeking solace in the UK or attempting to come here for economic reasons.

We are all humans, all in certain geographical regions initially purely by an accident of birth.

Violent, nasty, disturbed criminals aside, most of these migrants, whoever and wherever they end up seeks better, safer, more peaceful lives for their families.

I have very good British born friends living in the South of France, Spain and Turkey and relatives, British born, who live in both Canada and California and they’ve settled and now have families of their own.

I hate all the hostilities and wish we could find a solution to have a much quicker and fairer immigration system for both those coming in via legal means and those entering as Asylum Seekers.

petra Fri 12-Jun-26 16:58:58

MT62
The only Eastern Europeans arriving by boat are Albanians.
Why do you think there is a coach service from Sophia ( capital of Bulgaria) to Victoria coach station.

LizzieDrip Fri 12-Jun-26 17:00:05

It is, REKA.

But I was responding to Bazza’s statement that “most heinous crimes and rapes” are committed by men from ethnic minority backgrounds … which clearly is not the case.

TerriBull Fri 12-Jun-26 17:02:41

That's the whole point! The white crimes are pro rata. Surely the case everywhere, a majority of crimes are going to be committed by whoever the majority are. Why is this being stated over and over.

Maremia Fri 12-Jun-26 17:05:49

Because the false claims keep being repeated.

Fallingstar Fri 12-Jun-26 17:14:21

Sarnia

People tend to generalise. Football fans must all be yobs because of the small minority who are, Teenage drivers, particularly boys, must all drive irresponsibly because of those who do. Consequently, all migrants are tarred with the same brush as the few who make the headlines when they commit crime. We stereotype.

Well said.

LizzieDrip Fri 12-Jun-26 17:18:06

Precisely Maremia.

As long as people repeat the false claim that most heinous crimes and rapes in the UK are carried out by those from ethnic minorities (as though it were a fact) I reserve the right to call out the inaccuracy of that claim.

Aveline Fri 12-Jun-26 17:19:47

Do many white people try to hack the heads off innocent passers by very often? Just asking.

GrannyGravy13 Fri 12-Jun-26 17:29:50

Like I said upthread if the government released crime figures pro-rata it could dispel the fears of some.

Sunshinegirls Fri 12-Jun-26 17:32:15

Aveline no they don't.

I think the HMOs are worse than having them in hotels, I thank Angela Rayner for that scattering them around the country I wonder if the scattering includes her fancy Brighton pad😡

Fallingstar Fri 12-Jun-26 17:33:33

Aveline

Do many white people try to hack the heads off innocent passers by very often? Just asking.

Am not sure about that specific crime Aveline but as someone who watches a lot of true crime documentaries there have been a fair few who dismember bodies, here is one famous example -

‘Dennis Nilsen: A British serial killer who operated in North London between 1978 and 1983, luring homeless and gay men to his home. He murdered, dismembered, and attempted to dispose of his victims' bodies by burning them or flushing them down the drain.’

Aveline Fri 12-Jun-26 17:56:26

Nilsen's case was rather different though. It went on for a long time and was homosexual in origin. The apparently impulse nature of some of the on street crimes committed by illegal migrants is what is so scary.
There's something about the type of crimes carried out that is different. That's not including apparent terrorist ones.

Fallingstar Fri 12-Jun-26 18:05:30

Well I think serial killers are far worse but in reply to your post Aveline am sure there are plenty of street crimes committed by white British people as well.
Tbh crimes can be committed by anyone, it is the percentage of crimes committed by Asylum seekers in proportion to their total number in the UK that we need to look at. And if it is higher than crimes committed in proportion to the total number of white British people there could be reasons for that, namely that some asylum seekers could be criminals in their country of origin on the run from the justice system there and this is very difficult to ascertain. But what is easy to ascertain is that the vast majority of asylum seekers/migrants are not murderous criminals.

MT62 Fri 12-Jun-26 18:29:54

Chocolatelovinggran

MT62 - please contact Environmental Protection. There are limitations on noise, and times of noise, and burning unsuitable products is covered by clean air acts

She’s been in contact with the council & they haven’t bothered to get back in contact.
I feel so sorry for her as she is really ill.

MT62 Fri 12-Jun-26 18:36:55

petra

MT62
The only Eastern Europeans arriving by boat are Albanians.
Why do you think there is a coach service from Sophia ( capital of Bulgaria) to Victoria coach station.

Oh heck! Coaches you say? I didn’t know that. So why would they bother coming by boat if they can just hop on a coach from Sophia to Vicky station?

Meandrogrog Fri 12-Jun-26 18:53:20

GrannyGravy13

BlueBelle we have a Vape and Candy shop a two minute walk away, in my road, it opened three weeks ago.

It is between two primary schools, and by the bus stop which the local senior school children get off at to get to school.

They have put chairs outside, there are now groups of swarthy (not sure of their ethnicity, or how to describe them without being deleted) men hanging around outside from dawn to dusk.

They cat call obscene remarks to the school girls and young mums.

I have contacted our local councillor, as have many others, who has said the councils hands are tied . The police have been informed.

In the meantime we have to wait and walk past these thugs on a daily basis 😡😡😡

I do often wonder if feelings of some posters would change if their lived experience is what you are describing. How many posters would like to hear the obscene remarks described as they walked past?

petra Fri 12-Jun-26 18:54:07

I repeat. Only Albanians come by boat ( large and small 😉)
If you were an Albanian wanting to catch the coach first you would have to show your passport at the Bulgarian border.
There you would be asked what is your purpose for entering.
If you were allowed in and then made your way to the coach station you would have to show your passport again.
Unless you had crossed someone’s palm with silver 😉 your travel plan would unravel.
I know what I’m talking about as I lived in Bulgaria for 5 years and have driven from Albania to Bulgaria twice.

foxie48 Fri 12-Jun-26 19:00:33

"Albanian nationals crossing the English Channel in small boats have plummeted from a peak of roughly 12,700 in 2022 to a very small fraction of total irregular crossings. The drop is largely driven by strict UK-Albania cooperation deals, joint law enforcement, and increased deportations." AI generated

Casdon Fri 12-Jun-26 19:05:02

There is no longer a major issue with Albanians. This from the Migration Observatory:
Albanian citizens accounted for 17% of UK asylum applicants in 2022, but just 3% in 2024.

Albanian small boat arrivals fell sharply after 2022.
Between 2018 and 2024, around 3,800 Albanian small boat arrivals were removed from the UK, making up around three-quarters of all small boat returns.

The government credits the post-2022 fall in Albanian small boat arrivals to a returns deal, though numbers had already fallen dramatically before the deal was announced.

Only 3% of UK initial decisions on Albanian asylum applications were positive in 2024 – much lower than in 2022.

Grants of protection to women drove the UK’s high asylum grant rate for Albanian applicants in 2022.

Around one in four Albanian citizens arriving via small boat in 2022 were referred to the UK’s modern slavery system.

twaddle Fri 12-Jun-26 21:08:31

Aveline

Do many white people try to hack the heads off innocent passers by very often? Just asking.

Aline Burns tried:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crmpejxlm7do

REKA Fri 12-Jun-26 21:14:06

LizzieDrip

It is, REKA.

But I was responding to Bazza’s statement that “most heinous crimes and rapes” are committed by men from ethnic minority backgrounds … which clearly is not the case.

Ah, I see! Do forgive me. I pop into these threads and don't always see what's gone before.

Aveline Fri 12-Jun-26 21:14:58

Ooh nasty! Rare though. Luckily.
Fallingstar is right about looking at cases in proportion to their population.

twaddle Fri 12-Jun-26 21:32:49

Aveline

Ooh nasty! Rare though. Luckily.
Fallingstar is right about looking at cases in proportion to their population.

My understanding from the official figures is that there isn't a huge difference between the proportion of ethnic minority and non-ethnic minority offenders. What does seem to differ is the way the media (including social media) picks up some cases and not others, which might explain the public perception which correlates murders and violent/sexual attacks with ethnic minorities.

kircubbin2000 Fri 12-Jun-26 21:34:42

I don't think many object to the qualified immigrants who come here and try to fit in and don't commit crimes.
In the last few years we seem to be getting vast numbers of single men that we know nothing about. I hear they are not allowed to work yet and spend time hanging round areas where children play. I would object to that and wonder why they have left wives and family behind.

twaddle Fri 12-Jun-26 21:34:52

GrannyGravy13

Like I said upthread if the government released crime figures pro-rata it could dispel the fears of some.

I doubt it very much. The kind of people who want to make race an issue don't delve through government figures for raw figures.

Basgetti Sat 13-Jun-26 00:16:32

paddyann54

This is all being ramped up by the likes of Farage &Co Itstartedwith his poster of immigrants queuing before Brexit.
This man needs jailed for inciting hatred.. sadly he,s targeting people of low intelligence who believe his sorry tales of immigrants being the root of all their woes…when in fact it’s men in suits in Parliament or in Farage,s case who got voted in but like his other jobs..doesn,t turn up and gets large sums of cash from dubious sources.
This is certainly not the Scotland we know ,we have always fought FOR people not scapegoated them

Hear, hear.