Henry Nowak…….an absolute tragedy.

I was appalled when I heard about this case.

That poor family 😿

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

GrannyGravy13

I was appalled when I heard about this case.

That poor family 😿

I am appalled by any murder.

They are all the cause of intense grief, and suffering, to the victims family and friends.

OMG this is terrible. 😢

MaizieD

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

Have you read the details of the case?

Every murder is a senseless crime, and leaves a family in mourning.

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage

I’m actually shocked at this casual reply.

That poor young man and his family.

Sikhs are generally law abiding and well respected communities but there are always aberrations.

On the question of race and ethnicity what is wrong is how some schools are imbuing their pupils with the notion that only white people can be racist and will be the only demographic who commit crimes of a racist nature.

I have read, it is awful and the perpetrator lied by saying the victim racially abused him.

It doesn’t matter if he did racially abuse him (he didn’t) no one deserves to die via murder.

The case is awful, but not because of the ethnicity of either the victim or the perpetrator.

Murders sadly do get overlooked in our newsfeeds, and most decent people are outraged by these random acts of violent fatality.

Please don’t use this event to try and infer no one cares because the victim is white!

MaizieD

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

Yes it does, a young man carrying a sword publicly in the name of religion who then claimed the victim had racially aggravated him.

I truly believe had it been the other way around the Sikh community would have been protesting.

TerriBull

That poor young man and his family.

Sikhs are generally law abiding and well respected communities but there are always aberrations.

On the question of race and ethnicity what is wrong is how some schools are imbuing their pupils with the notion that only white people can be racist and will be the only demographic who commit crimes of a racist nature.

I have yet to come across a school which has done this?

Have you any credible evidence to back up your claim?

The police managed to add an extra layer of outrage in this particular case. The BBC article failed to explain why Henry Nowak was murdered.

MaizieD

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

Perhaps Sago was concerned about the 'police handling of the case'? Or the necessity to allow knives to be carried with impunity? If it is a ceremonial piece could it not be a fake knife?

People are murdered on our streets every day, people who commit murder come diverse backgrounds, faiths, colour, nationality as do their victims.

Murder is a terrible act and it matters not one jot to me the faith or ethnicity of either the victim nor the perpetrator.

ronib

The police managed to add an extra layer of outrage in this particular case. The BBC article failed to explain why Henry Nowak was murdered.

Do the police know why this person was murdered?

MaizieD

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

It has a heck of a lot to do with the police handling of the incident.
Handcuffing a dying man who has just been stabbed makes the officers in question IMO complicit in his murder.

And TBH what has it come to when accusations of “racial slur” carry more weight than an attack with a bladed weapon?

ronib
I’m confused by your post.
It sounds like you’re victim blaming.
Can you explain please?

The police handcuffed the victim, disregarding his pleas that he could not breathe because they chose to believe the false accusations of the murderer.
I remember the trouble fifty years ago when Sikhs insisted on wearing these daggers for religious reasons, and the immense amount of work and negotiation that was conducted between them and the police at the time. I thought the issue had been resolved. Carrying, wearing a sharpened bladed article is not acceptable and I thought was forbidden.

Cossy

People are murdered on our streets every day, people who commit murder come diverse backgrounds, faiths, colour, nationality as do their victims.

Murder is a terrible act and it matters not one jot to me the faith or ethnicity of either the victim nor the perpetrator.

I agree. Which is why I questioned why this particular case should outrage us.

I did read the details given in the OP’s link.

Perhaps if you again read the second paragraph of the OP?
Perhaps then you will understand Maizie's query?
If the outrage is because of the 'police handling', then shouldn't that aspect have been foregrounded?

There is outrage aplenty on the other murder thread …🤔

MaizieD

I’m really not sure why this particular case of a random murder should be the cause of outrage? Does this by any chance have anything to do with the ethnicity of the murderer?

Not his ethnicity, but his faith .... Digwa, who had used a blade he said he carried because of his Sikh faith

And we should be outraged by this. Carrying offensive weapons and hiding behind faith as an excuse is deeply wrong in principle.

If I were to write what I really think about this I would be banned by HQ for foul language.

This legal loophole needs to be filled. There can be no excuse for carrying an offensive weapon and everyone of whatever faith should face the consequences if they do. I would be saying the same whichever religion was using this as an excuse.

I can fully understand the outrage at the police actions and the handling of the case.

I cannot understand using the death of this poor young man being used to promote yet more negative feelings g towards the entire cohort of people to whom this wicked Sikh man belongs!

It’s so typical, sadly, to use this murder as an excuse to criticise Sikhs.

The perpetrator was a vile man firstly who happened to be a Sikh.

I agree, no dangerous offensive weapons should be carried in public EVER, by anyone, for any reason.

Kandinsky

ronib
I’m confused by your post.
It sounds like you’re victim blaming.
Can you explain please?

Kandinsky I don’t know why asking for further information is victim blaming? I don’t understand what happened and why the murderer felt threatened, if he was? I don’t understand why the murderer ‘s brother has not been charged too as he acted in a way to protect the murderer. Doesn’t inspire faith in the police.