Another appalling attack

MartavTaurus

There's no denying that the Muslim communities in the UK aren't targets as well, and that is wrong too.

But the Commissioner, who is responsible for policing on the streets of Britain, in our societies , clearly states that antisemitism is a disease. If even he starts to speak in these terms, then I'm not sure how antisemitism can truly be eradicated, even if the conflict far away calns down.

Indeed, that’s quite shocking and chilling isn’t it!

Oreo

Casdon

Oreo

Love0c* spot on 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

No, she isn’t. The escalation of attacks on Jews is worldwide, regardless of whether governments are socialist or conservative, and marches are banned or not. Terrorism does not respect political regimes. Of course our government should be doing more, but let’s not fool ourselves that when they do it will stop terrorists.

She isn’t in your view but she is in mine.

and she is right in my view too

Galaxy

If we don't talk about Islamic extremism then more Jewish people will be attacked. It needs some courage from some political party, ,anyone I don't care, but political courage is vanishingly rare.

👏👏👏👏👏 Well said. It's like the elephant in the room. I don't remember any terrorist attack in this country being carried out by Jews.

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

What sort of moron thinks attacking British Jews, or Jews anywhere else will make one iota of difference to Netanyahu? It's an excuse, a very convenient peg on which to hang their antisemitism. Bigoted thugs that enjoy their freedom to enact their base instincts. When Netanyahu goes they'll find another 'reason'.
It's like the misogynists who love to express their hate against women who fight for women's rights, lots of them march under the banner of 'trans rights' because that's an equally convenient peg. Thugs are thugs and will use any excuse.

Blaming Israel for attacks on British Jews is denial of antisemitism

I agree but unfortunately bigoted, uneducated morons exist and will always look for an excuse to hate. My dear friend uses a wheelchair and suffers very often from people attacking her verbally. So far not physically. They say things like she should have been put down at birth. I suppose I'm trying to say these people will always find some outlet for their hate.

Anniebach

Blaming Israel for attacks on British Jews is denial of antisemitism

We know it wrong and shouldn't happen but that's what ignorant bigots do sadly

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

I posted previously:
Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Prime Minister of a different country ie Israel, just as we, if we are Christian, are not responsible for Trumps's actions in the Middle East nor Putin's actions in Ukraine.

As Rosie51 says:
I think that 'recognising' it actually leans into justifying or at the very least excusing/explaining antisemitism. Why should Jews have to accept any level of antisemitism, and be reliant on what happens in the Middle East? Unless we all condemn it outright and make no excuses, explanations, or justifications it will continue unabated.

Events in the Middle East by a Government there should not be laid at the door of over 15 million Jewish people around the world. It enables those who hold anti-semitic views to think they are justified in expressing them and others with hatred against Jewish people and violent tendencies to enact them.

It's just the excuse some have been waiting for, as Jewish people are not responsible for what the Israeli Government is doing.
It has no validity.

Silvergirl

I agree but unfortunately bigoted, uneducated morons exist and will always look for an excuse to hate. My dear friend uses a wheelchair and suffers very often from people attacking her verbally. So far not physically. They say things like she should have been put down at birth. I suppose I'm trying to say these people will always find some outlet for their hate.

It's desperately sad that Jewish people do not feel safe in our country any more but, you are right, bigots will always find an outlet for their hate. I am sorry about the hateful treatment that your friend has to endure.

Allira

Casdon

TerriBull

How many more times does this have to be said!!! Jewish people living in different parts of the world are not the Israeli government.

I agree too, but it does have to be recognised that when tensions are high in the Middle East there are more attacks against innocent Jews living anywhere in the world. If the conflicts de-escalates the attacks will reduce - or at least, that’s what history tells us.

I posted previously:
Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Prime Minister of a different country ie Israel, just as we, if we are Christian, are not responsible for Trumps's actions in the Middle East nor Putin's actions in Ukraine.

As Rosie51 says:
I think that 'recognising' it actually leans into justifying or at the very least excusing/explaining antisemitism. Why should Jews have to accept any level of antisemitism, and be reliant on what happens in the Middle East? Unless we all condemn it outright and make no excuses, explanations, or justifications it will continue unabated.

Events in the Middle East by a Government there should not be laid at the door of over 15 million Jewish people around the world. It enables those who hold anti-semitic views to think they are justified in expressing them and others with hatred against Jewish people and violent tendencies to enact them.

It's just the excuse some have been waiting for, as Jewish people are not responsible for what the Israeli Government is doing.
It has no validity.

As I said Allira I’m posting facts. I did not say anything about the Israeli government. I’m not laying anything at all at the door of innocent Jews. What I said was that when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

theconversation.com/attacks-on-jews-always-rise-globally-when-conflict-in-israel-and-palestine-intensifies-216590

I realise that and was not saying that uou were doing so at all, Casdon, just that for many people around the world, including, sadly, the UK, it is an excuse for their latent anti-semitism to emerge in different ways, some violent.

It enables those who hold anti-semitic views to think they are justified in expressing them

Yes, they don't even need to propagate these views anymore. Antisemitism has taken such a hold and spread like a plague that many people laugh in its face.

Grannygravy women have been required to remove face coverings at their work. Not a security matter just unsuitable for their work with young children. There was at least one court case.

Anti semitism and Islamophobia are both rising but research confirms a greater increase in antisemitism.

Linking the behaviour of Netenyahu to the increase is simply victim blaming.

We haven’t seen marches or attacks on different African or Syrian people because their murderous governments are killing racing and murdering.

I see the suspended Green candidate posted, more than once, that there was no evidence of rape during the 7 October attacks,

Aveline, are you suggesting that expecting a teacher/teaching assistant to show her face to small children in her care is somehow oppressive?

when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

Aveline

Grannygravy women have been required to remove face coverings at their work. Not a security matter just unsuitable for their work with young children. There was at least one court case.

Which is totally different to expecting Jews to abandon dress codes that identify them.
I would not be happy to be taught or attended to by someone whose face I couldn't see. Hair coverings are fine but face coverings are a barrier and that's exactly what their intention is.

Exactly Rosie,

eazybee

^when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.^

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

Or for the fact that anti semitism is as old as time.
Our large productive community of British Jews all came here seeking sanctuary from pogroms in Russia, Eastern Europe or the holocaust xx

eazybee

^when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.^

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

I’d assumed that you had read the thread. For clarity, this was a post I made earlier today.
‘It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.’

Silvergirl

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

You are right!

Casdon

eazybee

when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

I’d assumed that you had read the thread. For clarity, this was a post I made earlier today.
‘It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.’

As a British Jew Casdon I can tell you that I know exactly where the most antisemitism comes from in this country of ours.
And it isn’t Tommy Robinson and his supporters, strangely enough.

Skodadoda

Silvergirl

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

You are right!

It’s a recurrent theme here, blaming British Jews for the actions of Netanyahu
I’ve seen no one blaming ritish Muslims for the 7 October attack, or the murders at our Manchester synogigue. Seen no suggestion that our Muslim communities shoukd dress “in a less Muslim looking way “