Another appalling attack

sixandahalf

eazybee

Keir Starmer is being heckled in Golders Green at present.

I expect you're glad.

The Met Commissioner, Mark Rowley, was also heckled by members of the public yesterday when he tried to speak to the media alongside Sarah Sackman MP.

Wyllow3

Witzend

I’m afraid I doubt that the govt. will take much action to combat the scourge of antisemitism. They are too concerned with pandering to and appeasing the Muslim community, since that is so much larger than the Jewish ditto, and so of course means masses more potential votes.

I'm sorry, but this is all wrong. It was specifically and deliberately planned as such, and not denied. It's disgusting to say "pandering" when you consider the organised, plotted, very large scale and substantial violence in the whole Southport affair.

Shame on you. Ordinary muslims are just like you or I, wanting to live in peace! Get out there and meet some in real life - talk/share live with not against.

Please don’t presume to tell me what I do or don’t think. Unlike - I suspect - very many on here, I have lived very happily for 13 years in Muslim countries, where relationships with the local community were invariably harmonious. But that experience of years ago now has not blinded me to what is so sadly happening in the U.K. today.

I don’t suppose I’m the only one who remembers TV footage of Muslim groups in the U.K. openly celebrating the October 7th Hamas attacks right after they happened.

sixandahalf

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

What exactly do you term a silly face?

🤔 means hmm, that you are musing on something that has not been established in fact.

Attacking other posters constantly does not advance discussion.

Allira

sixandahalf

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

What exactly do you term a silly face?

🤔 means hmm, that you are musing on something that has not been established in fact.

Attacking other posters constantly does not advance discussion.

And what exactly is the nasty stuff on this thread?

I would say that the recent attacks on Jewish people are nasty, and I include the Bondi Beach and other attacks overseas in that too.

Jewish people are not collectively responsible for the actions of the Prime Minister of a different country ie Israel, just as we, if we are Christian, are not responsible for Trumps's actions in the Middle East nor Putin's actions in Ukraine.

I have never noticed Jewish people in the UK carrying out acts of terrorism or forming themselves into terrorist groups here.

Apparently, according to the Telegraph, the suspect had previously been jailed for stabbing a policemen and his dog.

Yes, according to the campaign against antisemitism group, he received prison sentences for violence and once worked as a security guard at a primary school. Sigh.

I noticed as well that he is being held in police custody in prison, which must mean that his mental health assessment did not indicate secure psychiatric hospital custody was warranted.

He has been referred to the Prevent programme. Not sure how effective that is but as he's such a violent man I hope he will be imprisoned for life.

Galaxy

Oh I think the southport attack was targeted against a specific demographic, not Jewish people in that incident, but targeted none the less.

I don't doubt that. I only mentioned it in response to the claim that all "targeted" attacks seemed to be against Jewish people.

I also have no doubt that this attack was targeted against Jewish people. The video I saw showed an attack on a man wearing one of those distinctive black hats worn by orthodox Jewish men (sorry, don't know what they're called).

Allira

sixandahalf

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

What exactly do you term a silly face?

🤔 means hmm, that you are musing on something that has not been established in fact.

Attacking other posters constantly does not advance discussion.

Please, just stop. Thanks

I thought Starmer has just given a good speech and I am generally critical of him at the moment.

For the benefit of sixandahalf

Do not ascribe opinions to me because I state a fact.

I’m shocked that anyone would suggest Jewish people should leave the areas they’ve built since arriving in the UK. North Manchester was cheap, mixed and close to work. It was also an area where poor Irish families settled. They kept the fires going on Shabath for theurcJewish neighbours,

. Prestwich is a now a thriving area, with many Jewish businesses , schools and families. Why any of my Jewish friends should consider abandoning their homes and support systems to try and hide is ludicrous.
Conflating the behaviour of the current Isreali government as somehow explaining and excusing anti semitism is disgusting.

My northern former mill town has a large Muslim community, of largely Pakistani heritage. No one is suggesting they should abandon their homes areas of town where they’re now the largest community because that’s where grandparents settled, near the mills in the fifties.

Anti semitism is as old as time. Jewish people have always been blamed for somehow causing it,

sixandahalf

Allira

sixandahalf

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

What exactly do you term a silly face?

🤔 means hmm, that you are musing on something that has not been established in fact.

Attacking other posters constantly does not advance discussion.

Please, just stop. Thanks

Stop what??

😁

As for Zac Polanski and the two prospective Green candidates arrested over alleged anti semitism - is anyone surprised ? I’m not in the least

Nope not a bit surprised, those who believe they are the good guys are in fact the bad guys. It is the least surprising thing ever.

Iam64

As for Zac Polanski and the two prospective Green candidates arrested over alleged anti semitism - is anyone surprised ? I’m not in the least

Yes, actually, I am surprised.

Anniebach

Why should Jews in London not. Feel safe ?

Jews in the entire YK gave the right to feel safe, they have a right to walk on any street, go about their daily business, do their shopping, go to work, all feeling safe!

These attacks on Jews in our country, the country that offered sanctuary during WW2, is utterly unacceptable.

UK

I am too, as our local green councillors are truly...real greens. they have been infiltrated.
I have no problems with the local silent Gaza protest at the town hall, but they are not anti semitic. (I know them).

twaddle

Galaxy

It is odd when these mental health episodes target Jews rather than I don't know Hindus or catholics, it seems to be a very specific type of 'mental health'.

They don't. The Southport girls and the students and grandfather in Nottingham weren't Jewish.

Nor was Jo Cox. Thomas Mair was a neo-Nazi but he murdered Jo because she campaigned for Remain and did work supporting refugees.

The Greens have welcomed many from the so-called extreme left of the Labour Party, anti Israel belief systems are deeply held by many.

What is truly very worrying, the assailant, had previously knifed a police dog handler 7 times!!! A previous attempted murder surely? That was before the latest two attempts on those mens' lives. Begs the question was he one of the recently released dangerous prisoners. Surely a known would be murderer should not be at liberty to do the same thing again

The threat of a terrorist attack has been elevated a notch for the next six months (I think that's correct).
Would it help if for that period the Pro Palestine peaceful protests desisted, and Jewish men refrained from wearing distinctive clothing in public?
Of course why should they. But if it would help to keep people safe...
The seeming fanaticism of the Middle East is pervading Western Europe. It can unbalance minds in ways that are not solvable by a 'mental health' label. If it was obvious what could be done to end it that would have been done. Little point in blaming politicians.
I don't believe that the British are inherently anti-semitic.
What is the best way out of this mess?