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Another appalling attack

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Cossy Wed 29-Apr-26 13:04:56

My heart goes out to the Jewish community in Golders Green.

I utterly condemn these attacks and wish the stabbing victims a full and speedy recovery.

TerriBull Thu 30-Apr-26 11:29:43

Allira

^DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?^

Of course he must have! 🤔
It always is.

Or could it be that he is just plain evil and full of hatred?

...but of course, MH, a catch all answer to this type of incident, a perfect excuse of course, because there will be an almost unconscious intent on the part of assailant driving them along, somehow absolving him for his actions, whilst simultaneously transferring some sympathy away from the victims to the aggressor himself. It's always Mental Health! Plain evil is never a consideration.

Galaxy Thu 30-Apr-26 11:32:13

It was in response to Avelines post doodledog about two way streets and 'understanding' the anger of the attackers. I mean putting aside the anti semitism of that for a moment, people will in my view be surprised at who people 'choose' in that debate. The progressives on their marches very rarely understand that their views aren't reflective of the majority.

twaddle Thu 30-Apr-26 11:40:33

Galaxy

It is odd when these mental health episodes target Jews rather than I don't know Hindus or catholics, it seems to be a very specific type of 'mental health'.

They don't. The Southport girls and the students and grandfather in Nottingham weren't Jewish.

TerriBull Thu 30-Apr-26 12:40:57

It seems that Zac Polanski, like the poster up thread, is rather concerned as to how the police were treating the assailant. A man who randomly stabbed two innocent people with an intent to kill Jews. How strange, unlike his other pronouncement, the Jewish people of Golders Green weren't imagining hostilities but actually experiencing them, rather like they have done before, in particular the synagogue one where two of the congregation were murdered. . So it seems their perceptions in what transpired were bang on! unlike Mr Polanski's which appear rather cynical and not quite authentic. How strange!, being Jewish himself, and with a familial history of persecution he can't see what's right under his nose. Could that be anything to do with the demographic he is trying to appeal to, the actual "green" thing far less resonant than the other issues his party has now aligned themselves with.

Well good to know where his sympathies lie, I'm sure his stance will win over the support of all the racists who think it's a good idea to intimidate our own Jewish population into oblivion and then tell them that's just a perception on their parts when the odd stabbing, fire bombing and random murders take place, thus repeating the persecution they have experienced throughout history, because as always, whatever evils are being carried out around the world, all roads lead back to the Jews hmm

MayBee70 Thu 30-Apr-26 12:45:10

Whitewavemark2

It must be so worrying for people particularly those with children I think.

I can understand the reasoning behind moving.

I would definitely move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk.

Too easy for terrorists to identify a group and cause mayhem. Not so easy if as a Jewish person I spread myself into the local community, although if I am a practicing Jew the synagogue must be a risk.

DH has just said that the person arrested has mental health issues?

So many of these dreadful acts are carried out by people who are seriously ill. It does need addressing.

I wasn’t aware of this latest attack because of me avoiding the news, but what I heard yesterday was that the man was mentally ill. So surely it is, yet again, a failing of social services more than something purely anti semitic? (apologies for my lack of knowledge of the case but I’m really having to not watch any news as much as possible as it’s all either annoying (Trump) or distressing).

Oreo Thu 30-Apr-26 12:49:51

He was specific ally targeting Jews, not just random attacks, he knew exactly what he was doing.So MH apart, it has to be called terror related offences.

Oreo Thu 30-Apr-26 12:51:21

Polanski is Jewish when it suits him TerriBull 😉

MartavTaurus Thu 30-Apr-26 13:00:22

Oreo

He was specific ally targeting Jews, not just random attacks, he knew exactly what he was doing.So MH apart, it has to be called terror related offences.

Exactly, a targeted attack.
He made the journey from South London, probably 40 minutes, to a well known Jewish area in North London.
He didn't exactly walk out of his front door and randomly stab a few people in his street.
Mental health issues or not, I would say he planned it and knew exactly what he was doing

petra Thu 30-Apr-26 13:00:53

i would definitely move move out of an area if I was Jewish and it had a high concentration of Jewish folk
I read that as a suggestion to the awful situation, hence my
post.

Oreo Thu 30-Apr-26 13:02:45

Forgive the way that specifically came out in my posts 🥴

eazybee Thu 30-Apr-26 13:14:15

Keir Starmer is being heckled in Golders Green at present.

fancythat Thu 30-Apr-26 13:20:59

Even if he is mentally ill, from what I know and understand of mentally ill people, they can swing from being perfectly sane, to suffering quite badly.

Mentally ill people cannot and dont need to be, locked up all of the time by Social Services.

sixandahalf Thu 30-Apr-26 13:35:17

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

sixandahalf Thu 30-Apr-26 13:35:32

eazybee

Keir Starmer is being heckled in Golders Green at present.

I expect you're glad.

Witzend Thu 30-Apr-26 13:37:20

I’m afraid I doubt that the govt. will take much action to combat the scourge of antisemitism. They are too concerned with pandering to and appeasing the Muslim community, since that is so much larger than the Jewish ditto, and so of course means masses more potential votes.

Galaxy Thu 30-Apr-26 13:38:07

Oh I think the southport attack was targeted against a specific demographic, not Jewish people in that incident, but targeted none the less.

Casdon Thu 30-Apr-26 13:40:55

MartavTaurus

Oreo

He was specific ally targeting Jews, not just random attacks, he knew exactly what he was doing.So MH apart, it has to be called terror related offences.

Exactly, a targeted attack.
He made the journey from South London, probably 40 minutes, to a well known Jewish area in North London.
He didn't exactly walk out of his front door and randomly stab a few people in his street.
Mental health issues or not, I would say he planned it and knew exactly what he was doing

It’s not yet confirmed, but it does look as though he may have done that too MartavTaurus, as he is suspected of an earlier attack that morning, details of the person attacked then haven’t been released as far as I know, so we don’t know if he attacked another Jewish person or somebody else.

Galaxy Thu 30-Apr-26 13:47:02

He was known to Prevent.

Casdon Thu 30-Apr-26 13:48:37

From what the police guy said yesterday, it sounds like he has a history of violence and mental illness too.

Oreo Thu 30-Apr-26 13:59:50

sixandahalf

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

What nasty stuff?
If the ‘silly face’ was aimed at me ( and I don’t see it could be any other) then you clearly didn’t see that my apology was the way that the word specifically had come out as two words in an earlier post.

Wyllow3 Thu 30-Apr-26 14:09:10

Witzend

I’m afraid I doubt that the govt. will take much action to combat the scourge of antisemitism. They are too concerned with pandering to and appeasing the Muslim community, since that is so much larger than the Jewish ditto, and so of course means masses more potential votes.

I'm sorry, but this is all wrong. It was specifically and deliberately planned as such, and not denied. It's disgusting to say "pandering" when you consider the organised, plotted, very large scale and substantial violence in the whole Southport affair.

Shame on you. Ordinary muslims are just like you or I, wanting to live in peace! Get out there and meet some in real life - talk/share live with not against.

Oreo Thu 30-Apr-26 14:15:26

While I wouldn’t say it as strongly as Witzend am afraid there is truth in there and I have thought so for a long time.

Wyllow3 Thu 30-Apr-26 14:22:37

Ask the Sikh Woman who was raped because a man thought she was Muslim. think of the fears that raises for muslim women.

Go join an interfaith group and find out their truths

sixandahalf Thu 30-Apr-26 14:50:47

Oreo

sixandahalf

There's some nasty stuff on this thread and including a silly face doesn't make it any less nasty.

What nasty stuff?
If the ‘silly face’ was aimed at me ( and I don’t see it could be any other) then you clearly didn’t see that my apology was the way that the word specifically had come out as two words in an earlier post.

No it wasn't aimed at anybody.

There's enough horrible stuff going on without that.

TerriBull Thu 30-Apr-26 14:52:29

What happened to the Sikh woman was appalling, and clearly it was racism. I may be wrong, although I don't doubt there are plenty of racial attacks against Muslims, that was the first time I'd heard of a Muslim woman (mistakenly in this case) being raped where the motive was racial and religious. That's not to say it hasn't happened, I just haven't read about it and I'm happy to be corrected.

On the other hand there have been hundreds, if not thousands of white girls, deemed "white trash and fair game" by their rapists, generally Muslim men, on industrial scale we're told. How many times do the same demographic appear with an almost predictable regularity when yet another such grooming trial is reported on.. That doesn't go the other way, which is why the appalling rape of the Sikh woman stood out in the way it did. That's not to say, as usually is pointed out, overall white rapists will outnumber their Muslim counter parts, but as white men represent 80% of total male population, to be expected.

All rapes are awful and as with the rape of the Sikh woman and the young white girls it demonstrates a contempt for women and a derision for their race and preconceptions and prejudices as to how men judge women on ethnic and religious grounds.

Lets also not forget those who drive around Jewish enclaves, shouting "rape Jewish women and girls" which unsurprisingly went unpunished.