Another appalling attack

Would it not be more sensible for religious people of all faiths to stop wearing ostentatiously religious clothing.

Why go about in public wearing uniforms that declare which side one is on. Religions are divisive enough without flaunting the differences.

Seems strange how the press and tv ignored the fact that this person actually attacked THREE people (not just the two reported). The first victim was a Muslim, so obviously did not fit the scenario of terrorist anti-semitism that has been headlines.

It does appear that these attacks are the result of a mental health issue and perhaps instead of that money going to policing, it should go to the local mental health team to try to prevent further problems.

Casdon

I think it is actually important to understand the profile of anybody who attacks others, because such attacks are a symptom of failings if somebody is already known to the police and/or mental health services. Not all attacks are preventable, but they often highlight issues that can be put right.

That's as maybe, and I do acknowledge the importance of having investigations about the mental health of the attacker. But why was this labelled a terrorist incident then? Why was there a Cobra meeting then? Why was £25m given for the protection of the Jewish community? Why is the UK's terror threat level increased to “severe” after these stabbings?
It's more than just the mental health issues of one person, it's an ideology running wild. The police and the government know this.

eazybee

Thank you for the courteous responses to my genuine question about the Holocaust. Every time I hear of an attack on 'Jewishness', in whatever form, the Holocaust is the spectre which haunts me, and the way in which it swept through and demonised an apparently civilised country.

Me too. When people are attacked and vilified just because of their race (or country of origin if anyone prefers), religion or skin colour, my thoughts immediately go to the Holocaust too. It makes my blood run cold.

I think it is actually important to understand the profile of anybody who attacks others, because such attacks are a symptom of failings if somebody is already known to the police and/or mental health services. Not all attacks are preventable, but they often highlight issues that can be put right.

Thank you for the courteous responses to my genuine question about the Holocaust. Every time I hear of an attack on 'Jewishness', in whatever form, the Holocaust is the spectre which haunts me, and the way in which it swept through and demonised an apparently civilised country.

The attacker's mental health issues are very real.
Somewhere along the line there were real failings in his care.

BUT that doesn't explain why he spent an hour travelling to Golders Green, a very Jewish area of London that has been the focus of antisemitism in the country over recent times. The answer is glaringly obvious - antisemitism is rife, is being whipped up and is rapidly increasing.

Personally, I'm not that interested in him as an individual, or what's going on his head. The real focus should be on the victims, on the Jewish communities in our country and what can be done to change the way things are.

Iam64

Skodadoda

Silvergirl

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

You are right!

It’s a recurrent theme here, blaming British Jews for the actions of Netanyahu
I’ve seen no one blaming ritish Muslims for the 7 October attack, or the murders at our Manchester synogigue. Seen no suggestion that our Muslim communities shoukd dress “in a less Muslim looking way “

Sorry, but I'm afraid I have seen it - and you don't have to look that far!

Incidentally, as far as this latest attack is concerned, it appears the attacker lived in supported accommodation for people with mental health issues. Before the attacks in Golders Green, he had attacked somebody he knew (a Muslim), so goodness knows what was going on inside his head or motivated him.

Oreo

Casdon

eazybee

when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

I’d assumed that you had read the thread. For clarity, this was a post I made earlier today.
‘It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.’

As a British Jew Casdon I can tell you that I know exactly where the most antisemitism comes from in this country of ours.
And it isn’t Tommy Robinson and his supporters, strangely enough.

I'm sure you're also aware that antisemitism has existed since long before Tommy Robinson was born or more than a handful of Muslims ever lived in the UK (if that's what you're implying).

The causes of antisemitism in Europe and throughout the Middle East are complex, as I'm sure you must know. There's no point blaming a single perpetrator (or group) because there isn't one.

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Oreo

Casdon

eazybee

when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

I’d assumed that you had read the thread. For clarity, this was a post I made earlier today.
‘It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.’

As a British Jew Casdon I can tell you that I know exactly where the most antisemitism comes from in this country of ours.
And it isn’t Tommy Robinson and his supporters, strangely enough.

I didn’t say it was Oreo, I’m not negating your experience, but you are putting words in my mouth?

Skodadoda

Silvergirl

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

You are right!

It’s a recurrent theme here, blaming British Jews for the actions of Netanyahu
I’ve seen no one blaming ritish Muslims for the 7 October attack, or the murders at our Manchester synogigue. Seen no suggestion that our Muslim communities shoukd dress “in a less Muslim looking way “

Casdon

eazybee

when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

I’d assumed that you had read the thread. For clarity, this was a post I made earlier today.
‘It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.’

As a British Jew Casdon I can tell you that I know exactly where the most antisemitism comes from in this country of ours.
And it isn’t Tommy Robinson and his supporters, strangely enough.

Silvergirl

That is why it is so sad that the lovely, peaceful British Jewish community are having to pay for what that murderous, bloodthirsty man Netanyahu is doing in Gaza and Lebanon. You can deny it all you want but there is a link between this and the rise in antisemitism. That is the reality! Any solution will have to take this into account

You are right!

eazybee

^when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.^

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

I’d assumed that you had read the thread. For clarity, this was a post I made earlier today.
‘It’s much more complicated than only Islamic extremists Oreo, I’m sure you’re aware that antisemitic violence is perpetrated by extremists across the political spectrum.’

eazybee

^when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.^

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

Or for the fact that anti semitism is as old as time.
Our large productive community of British Jews all came here seeking sanctuary from pogroms in Russia, Eastern Europe or the holocaust xx

Exactly Rosie,

Aveline

Grannygravy women have been required to remove face coverings at their work. Not a security matter just unsuitable for their work with young children. There was at least one court case.

Which is totally different to expecting Jews to abandon dress codes that identify them.
I would not be happy to be taught or attended to by someone whose face I couldn't see. Hair coverings are fine but face coverings are a barrier and that's exactly what their intention is.

when there is conflict in the Middle East, antisemitism increases. That is a reality, which can’t be denied.

Was this responsible for the Holocaust?

Aveline, are you suggesting that expecting a teacher/teaching assistant to show her face to small children in her care is somehow oppressive?

Anti semitism and Islamophobia are both rising but research confirms a greater increase in antisemitism.

Linking the behaviour of Netenyahu to the increase is simply victim blaming.

We haven’t seen marches or attacks on different African or Syrian people because their murderous governments are killing racing and murdering.

I see the suspended Green candidate posted, more than once, that there was no evidence of rape during the 7 October attacks,

Grannygravy women have been required to remove face coverings at their work. Not a security matter just unsuitable for their work with young children. There was at least one court case.

It enables those who hold anti-semitic views to think they are justified in expressing them

Yes, they don't even need to propagate these views anymore. Antisemitism has taken such a hold and spread like a plague that many people laugh in its face.

I realise that and was not saying that uou were doing so at all, Casdon, just that for many people around the world, including, sadly, the UK, it is an excuse for their latent anti-semitism to emerge in different ways, some violent.

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