Brighton Attack

M0nica

If convicted of serious crimes - like this, I think they should be taken direct to the airport and put on the next plane back to their country of origin, regardless of conditions there. It might be the best deterrent out.

Let me be clear, I would not do that to anyone accused of a crime that did not physically harm or threaten someone in a serious way. But rapists, murderers, trafficking, back they would go.

How would people be sentenced for a crime if they were sent back on the next plane immediately M0nica? Surely it would be dangerous to send them back without sentencing, they would be free to commit a similar crime again, either in their own country or elsewhere?

TheSunRisesInTheEast

Yes, they are absolutely vile and if deported, who's to say they won't be raping women in their own country? Capital punishment should be carried out when guilt is proved beyond doubt. It has become apparent that so many of these men coming here on boats are criminals, we don't want them here, this country has enough of our own criminals to deal with.

Absolutely agree.

M0nica

If convicted of serious crimes - like this, I think they should be taken direct to the airport and put on the next plane back to their country of origin, regardless of conditions there. It might be the best deterrent out.

Let me be clear, I would not do that to anyone accused of a crime that did not physically harm or threaten someone in a serious way. But rapists, murderers, trafficking, back they would go.

It should be ANY crime!

These men who commit these violent rapes seem to think women are for the taking. I am appalled for the victim, and I also wonder what life is like for the women who live in whatever countries they have come from. Just regarded as trash to be used when available or kept under strict guard.

And we let them in without restraint.

I want the boats to stop, I want the lorries still sneaking in, to stop.

I want Asylum Seekers processed thoroughly and quickly and those not meeting the criteria sent back.

I want those human rights lawyers who encourage said AS to lie to be struck off.

However, I also want people to understand and recognise that many AS, who’ve made arduous and danger journeys to reach our shores are not rapists and murders.

Rape is never right, it can never been excused. Men rape, men from many different faiths/countries/nationalities, sadly there are men like these across our world.

I know some of you won’t agree, that’s fine, given the events in our sad world there’s many displaced people, they have to live somewhere and we need to accept our share.

I agree, those commiting crimes of any nature, when found guilty, need to be immediately imprisoned and when their sentences over immediately deported.

No capital punishment for any crime. There is always the risk of miscarriage of justice, always. What about Andrew Malkinson and Stefan Kiszko?

eazybee

These men who commit these violent rapes seem to think women are for the taking. I am appalled for the victim, and I also wonder what life is like for the women who live in whatever countries they have come from. Just regarded as trash to be used when available or kept under strict guard.

And we let them in without restraint.

And some of the proposals on this thread send them back without restraint too. That can’t be right either.

One of the asylum seekers had his application refused the day before the attack.
When exactly were the home office and the border force going to his address and take him to a holding facility ready for deportation 🤷‍♀️
Maybe they phone them giving them time to disappear into the black economy🤬
Where did the money come from to visit several bars and nightclubs in the area. That was stated in the court records.

I posted a couple of comments over on the Epsom thread which were really more relevant to this one.

This was an awful crime, and these rapes and sexual assaults, sadly not that infrequent are committed by people who want sanctuary in our country, supposedly because they're fleeing dangerous regimes and persecution. That begs the question, why do they come here, break our laws and disrespect women and girls in the most hideous of manner?

It also makes me wonder, is there any programme as to inculcating them into exactly what is expected here particularly as to how they should treat women and girls, or in this case how they shouldn't treat them. I believe that was something that was rolled out in Germany given how many men they accepted from countries with entirely different attitudes. It also seems, possibly they regard the UK as a soft touch for all manner of things, to behave how they like at the expense of the tax payer. These individuals were staying in a hotel close to where I live now.

I also wonder if given how it's in the public domain how many of such assaults that have been committed against girls and women whether any monitoring goes on or if they're just free to go wherever they please.

I absolutely think those who commit such appalling crimes should be deported and whilst I don't support capital punishment, I can't say I care too much about a criminal who has murdered in his homeland and who is under a death sentence, how did he get here in the first place, whether he is returned to his own country to face the consequences, given the crime he has committed here. I can't feel sorry for such people because they bring their wicked ways with them, I'd like them gone.

Finally, it besmirches all the asylum people, the decent ones get homogenized under the one umbrella, because of the criminal element among their number just aren't dealt with effectively, way too many appeals, too many lawyers trying to obstruct the process, more tax payers money to fund that, which just feeds into the ground swell of public opinion "stop the boats"

petra

One of the asylum seekers had his application refused the day before the attack.
When exactly were the home office and the border force going to his address and take him to a holding facility ready for deportation 🤷‍♀️
Maybe they phone them giving them time to disappear into the black economy🤬
Where did the money come from to visit several bars and nightclubs in the area. That was stated in the court records.

That’s a good point, is it a loophole, or are there too many failed asylum seekers, to make it feasible for them to be kept in detention? I wonder if there are records of how many disappear after an asylum claim has failed.

Sarnia

barmcake

The reason we're in this situation is because of the silence. People who speak out are called far right racists and worse. I'm sure the enlightened will be posting soon: not all asylum seekers are bad, escaping persecution etc. Time to stop all the single young men flooding in and take in families.

I read the actual details of this rape and was sad, angry, disgusted and shed a few tears for this poor women. When will we put our own women and children first.

Quite. I thought Sarah Everard's murder was a turning point in making the streets safer for women. I don't see any signs of it, if anything it appears to be getting worse.
There is a migrant hotel close to where I live. We have had instances of men from here walking around naked and high on drugs and sadly, even more cases of young girls being approached, sexually assaulted and raped by some of their number. Their court cases were heard in the next county in the hopes they could keep it under the radar. The UK is in a sorry state.

Sarnia: that's absolutely horrific. I had no idea it was that bad.

I usually get told that I'm a follower of Stephen Yaxley-Lennon. I know quite a few people who are in favour of open borders. They're the type who say they would be happy to take in an asylum seeker, but never get round to doing it. I'm just sick of this complacent Government.

Casdon

The way I read this was that the men would be deported after sentencing, to serve out their prison term in their own countries. That seems the best possible outcome for such a horrible crime, and should prevent them being a risk for a number of years.

Agree. Why should UK taxpayers pay to keep them in UK jails.

I welcome immigration. Any immigrants committing serious crimes should be deported automatically.

I don’t think that these rapists/criminals are fleeing persecution in their own country but more likely fleeing the law, facing jail time in their country of origin.
Imho there are gangs coming here to continue their crimes unabated. Which then makes it really hard for genuine asylum seekers.
I have no answers but think that vetting asylum seekers in the first country they arrive in would save a lot of trouble down the line.

Fallingstar

I don’t think that these rapists/criminals are fleeing persecution in their own country but more likely fleeing the law, facing jail time in their country of origin.
Imho there are gangs coming here to continue their crimes unabated. Which then makes it really hard for genuine asylum seekers.
I have no answers but think that vetting asylum seekers in the first country they arrive in would save a lot of trouble down the line.

If you have any evidence of these allegations, you need to inform the police or somebody who can investigate on your behalf.

I have no evidence twaddle which is why I said in my humble opinion.
Am more than happy to be proved wrong.

Fallingstar

I have no evidence twaddle which is why I said in my humble opinion.
Am more than happy to be proved wrong.

I don't have any evidence either way, so couldn't prove you wrong. I was just wondering why you were spreading completely unfounded speculation.

As TerriBull posted earlier on another thread, prosecutors have actually alleged that one of these men is wanted for murder in his home country.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvg090pe65vo

They're the type who say they would be happy to take in an asylum seeker, but never get round to doing it

What type is that please?

Is it the same type who is in depair when they read about Brighton? They type who invites people from so called asylum hotels to join their running club? The type that hosts Ukrainian people? The type that opens up the Church food pantry every week for destitute people?

There is no type. We are all human beings and anybody with a shred of empathy is appalled by this crime.

There are gangs who come to the uk to steal high end goods.
They arnt asylum seekers but are called robbery tourists.
Very organised.

www.lbc.co.uk/article/south-american-gangs-fuel-surge-jewellery-store-5HjdSG8_2/

There are reasons men come alone to seek asylum, not for all, but many married men with young families come first, they sometimes have treacherous journeys from places far far away.

Their journeys are arduous and hard.

Many Asylum Seekers come from Syria, Afghanistan, and other countries which are a long way away. Those crossing the channel are not starting their journeys there, children would possibly not survive these journeys, so men come first, in the hope that if their claim is accepted they can work and raise funds to fly their wives and children across here.

I’m not in favour of barring all single men. How do you propose family groups get here? Many of the country’s they are coming from would require visa to enter our country, there’s no such thing as an Asylum Visa and in order to claim Asylum you have to physically be in the country in which you choose to seek Asylum.

petra

There are gangs who come to the uk to steal high end goods.
They arnt asylum seekers but are called robbery tourists.
Very organised.

www.lbc.co.uk/article/south-american-gangs-fuel-surge-jewellery-store-5HjdSG8_2/

Yes, I agree, and these are the very people we do not want here, that’s why we need a far more efficient and effective asylum seeking process.

Fallingstar

I don’t think that these rapists/criminals are fleeing persecution in their own country but more likely fleeing the law, facing jail time in their country of origin.
Imho there are gangs coming here to continue their crimes unabated. Which then makes it really hard for genuine asylum seekers.
I have no answers but think that vetting asylum seekers in the first country they arrive in would save a lot of trouble down the line.

But the international law around Asylum Seekers makes this impossible.

I think there a percentage of AS coming here via illegal means, but, in my opinion, it’s still the minority.

Putting them into hotels, all together, unmonitored, was always a foolish idea and I’m not sure where one would temporarily house them.

It’s a huge problem, and I don’t have the answers.

I do know though that many genuine asylum seekers fleeing wars and corrupt regimes are being tarred and labelled as “criminals” and potential rapists, this too is unfair.

Btw, the comment “you house them then” is utterly pointless, very few of us would allow anyone to live in our homes if we didn’t know them.

What I do know is that people like Trump, Putin and Netanyahu are causing more and more displaced people, men, women and children, who have to live somewhere.

I also know how grateful I that in my own lifetime I lived in a country which hasn’t been attacked by another nation.

Cossy

I want the boats to stop, I want the lorries still sneaking in, to stop.

I want Asylum Seekers processed thoroughly and quickly and those not meeting the criteria sent back.

I want those human rights lawyers who encourage said AS to lie to be struck off.

However, I also want people to understand and recognise that many AS, who’ve made arduous and danger journeys to reach our shores are not rapists and murders.

Rape is never right, it can never been excused. Men rape, men from many different faiths/countries/nationalities, sadly there are men like these across our world.

I know some of you won’t agree, that’s fine, given the events in our sad world there’s many displaced people, they have to live somewhere and we need to accept our share.

I agree, those commiting crimes of any nature, when found guilty, need to be immediately imprisoned and when their sentences over immediately deported.

I'm like you. I have no problem with families arriving here for a better life. Working, paying their way and being decent citizens. Neither do I have a problem with seeing a mosque or synagogue on a British street, providing they respect our religions too.
What I do object to and am very concerned about are the huge percentage of young, single men not applying through the proper channels. So many of them see women as only any good for cooking, cleaning and sex. They are never seen as equal or respected.
I fear it is already too late.

sixandahalf

*They're the type who say they would be happy to take in an asylum seeker, but never get round to doing it*

What type is that please?

Is it the same type who is in depair when they read about Brighton? They type who invites people from so called asylum hotels to join their running club? The type that hosts Ukrainian people? The type that opens up the Church food pantry every week for destitute people?

There is no type. We are all human beings and anybody with a shred of empathy is appalled by this crime.

Maybe "stereotype" was meant , not "type".
The use of the word "type" is derogatory in this context.