Make America Normal Again

I think that the fact that he did not subscribe to the way you would prefer countries to be managed economically does not mean that he actually failed though MaizeD.

‘The American economy experienced a significant, sustained recovery during the Obama administration (2009–2017), transitioning from the depths of the Great Recession to a period of stable growth, though the recovery was often described as slow or uneven. Obama inherited an economy losing roughly 700,000 jobs per month and oversaw a recovery that produced 75 consecutive months of job growth—the longest streak on record at the time—and lowered the unemployment rate from a 10% peak in 2009 to 4.7% by the time he left office. ‘
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Would those changes have had the votes to get them through?

A decent normal human being.... bring it on ....

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Then and now: handshakes.

Obama was a Harvard graduate, taught Constitutional Law at a University of Chicago and was a servant to the people (not himself).

Another handshake

Chocolatelovinggran

I don't know enough about the USA to comment on fiscal policy, but I do see both Mr Obama and Mr Biden as men of integrity, who were doing what they thought best for their fellow Americans. I do not feel that about the current President.

Just that.
That's where our system where the leader is the person who commands a majority, is more effective.
Good compromise between the ultimate USA way where they choose representatives / senators & then they choose a leader (which can lead to the leader being toothless) and the Chinese way where they don't choose anyone, but the government can make necessary but unpopular decisions (yes , such things exist) and long-term decisions without being swayed by personal interest (Will I lose my job?)

Chocolatelovinggran

I don't know enough about the USA to comment on fiscal policy, but I do see both Mr Obama and Mr Biden as men of integrity, who were doing what they thought best for their fellow Americans. I do not feel that about the current President.

Obama and Biden and many others US leaders had global allies and they seemed to respect other peoples (somewhat) and all of nature -environmental and species. They didnt cause planetary chaos.

@MaizeD

I’m not sure you have a decent grasp on US domestic politics if you believe that wildly simplistic statement is accurate. A sitting president needs a cooperative congress. Unlike Trump, no other US President in recent history had bypassed and sidestepped Congress in the manner that Trump has with (illegal) executive orders. It wasn’t a done thing. I was there. Obama was blocked at every turn, and yet the American people still had lower unemployment and lower costs of living. If you are talking about what Obama did globally economically, well it was never his role to prop up the global economy in the first place.

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I didn’t have to be embarrassed to be American under Obama and didn’t have to explain the whys and wherefore of a Trump presidency while living abroad. Utter Bliss !!

Thank you BlessedArt.
Obama was 'blocked' and so could not initiate big change.
Trump controls both Houses.
There are no controls over him.

There was a three part tv series on Obama which demonstrated the degree of negotiation skills he needed to get anything done against a hostile Republican party. He wasn't perfect but he was a million times better than Trump. Which is why Trump hates him and has destroyed many of his achievements eg Medicare and the treaty with Iran.

Vintagewhine

There was a three part tv series on Obama which demonstrated the degree of negotiation skills he needed to get anything done against a hostile Republican party. He wasn't perfect but he was a million times better than Trump. Which is why Trump hates him and has destroyed many of his achievements eg Medicare and the treaty with Iran.

Yes I remember very well, how difficult it was for Obama to get stuff done.

It was so frustrating.

One of the best orators the USA has had in the last century I think. He continues to be.

In 2016 Obama passed the 21st Century Cures Act. Section 24 of this authorises the insertion of nanotechnology into the population, without their consent as long as it does not have an effect that is outside normal life (or some such terminology). As death is definitely 'normal' this would seem to be meaningless and certainly something that a clever lawyer could use to justify - well - a hell of a lot. Things are not always what they seem, people in public offices are never what they seem. Too many people, in my opinion, love to wallow in Trump-hating and ignore all the other icebergs that are there, often in plain sight.

Are you seriously proposing this as an example of why we should not welcome huge tranches of what Obama was trying to do

and praise a man who would take us into WW3 as well as destroying the social and medical fall backs for the poorest, in what is the richest country in the world?

Ye! A clever,intelligent,pleasant, statesman with an equally clever,pleasant and intelligent wife. The current incumbent is none of the above and never will be!

Aveline

I agree with Chocolatelovinggran. I thought they were men of integrity and worthy of respect. Absolutely everything that Trump is not.

Not to be repetitive, Donald Trump is sadistic, cruel, toxic, greedy, hostile, racist, hateful, revengeful, a phisher, a pedaphile and a bully.

Biden: Regardless of whom the population voted for, Biden gave the Governors of Florida, Texas, Georgia & other states a budget to cover the losses of homes and properties from both hurricanes and tornados.

He did not hold it against the population if they did or did not vote for Biden ..

He is a good man. Joe and Jill Biden travelled to these zones as well.

Biden and Obama respected the Constitution very very highly and did not create illegalities.

The D.T. circus is horrifying. I hope they are able to impeach and win the democratic voting during the mid terms in November.

My dislike of Mr Trump is from the beginning of this Presidency, when he elected to mock, publicly, a questioner who had cerebral palsy. I find this unforgivable.
I would suggest that neither Mr Biden nor Mr Obama would have done this.

undines

In 2016 Obama passed the 21st Century Cures Act. Section 24 of this authorises the insertion of nanotechnology into the population, without their consent as long as it does not have an effect that is outside normal life (or some such terminology). As death is definitely 'normal' this would seem to be meaningless and certainly something that a clever lawyer could use to justify - well - a hell of a lot. Things are not always what they seem, people in public offices are never what they seem. Too many people, in my opinion, love to wallow in Trump-hating and ignore all the other icebergs that are there, often in plain sight.

Is this supposed to be a counter argument to destruction of American civil liberties under Trump? Seriously?

I live in California having come over from the UK in 1991. It has always been a great country to live in and still is. Presidents come and go, but the country always seems to withstand whatever is thrown at it. In general it is a hopeful and patriotic country. I miss England of course, and visit when I can, but America is my home now, and I embrace it.

Macaydia

Does anyone else miss Barack Hussein Obama ?

I think many Americans are now realising how good Obama was. Trump has ruined America abd I sincerely hope the Republican party will be in the wilderness for a very long time. Knowing how Trump was in his first term and the insurrection he caused in the capital, no way should they have given him the chance to run for President again.

undines

In 2016 Obama passed the 21st Century Cures Act. Section 24 of this authorises the insertion of nanotechnology into the population, without their consent as long as it does not have an effect that is outside normal life (or some such terminology). As death is definitely 'normal' this would seem to be meaningless and certainly something that a clever lawyer could use to justify - well - a hell of a lot. Things are not always what they seem, people in public offices are never what they seem. Too many people, in my opinion, love to wallow in Trump-hating and ignore all the other icebergs that are there, often in plain sight.

Is this all you could find? Are you serious?