Trump says he will scrap trade deal with UK

Refusing to join in an illegal war can
never be the 'wrong position'.

J52 named after him 'trumpets'
Good one.

What is so righteous about allowing Iran to continue its war against Israel? What is so shameful about protecting Jews? It’s becoming obvious that Jews in London are being attacked. Why? Is it because the Uk makes it clear that Israel won’t be defended by the Uk?

I was wondering what trade the UK actually does with the US apart from a few electric cars and probably pharmaceuticals. Also I couldn’t think of much in Australia compared with, say, China.

ronib

What is so righteous about allowing Iran to continue its war against Israel? What is so shameful about protecting Jews? It’s becoming obvious that Jews in London are being attacked. Why? Is it because the Uk makes it clear that Israel won’t be defended by the Uk?

There are very many Jews against Netanyahu’s blood letting. My family included. Judaism is a religion of peace and the Jewish people have suffered enough over the centuries to know that inflicting similar suffering upon other innocent people goes against everything most Jewish people stand for.
Have relatives in Israel who feel the same but Netanyahu puts the fear of God into people’s hearts so that they support his war crimes.
We were expecting the attacks on innocent Jews in the UK, and will probs happen elsewhere. Twisted minds like that of Netanyahu will see all Jews as being to blame.

Maremia

Refusing to join in an illegal war can
never be the 'wrong position'.

👏👏👏👏👏

Maremia

Refusing to join in an illegal war can
never be the 'wrong position'.

👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

Fallingstar

Well said and very brave of you.

I’ve always said, very very clearly, I blame Hamas for their awful actions, I blame Netanyahu for the terrible events occurring in Gaza now, I blame him and Trump for the recent attacks and subsequent war in Iran.

Neither Trump nor Netanyahu appear to give a fig about their own citizens.

Jews are not to blame for their awful governments actions.

Here in the UK we need to protect our Jewish communities.

Thanks Cossy 💐

The thread title is wrong, Trump has hinted that he could change our trade deal but hasn’t said that he will scrap it.

Fallingstar has one view of the Israeli government and Jews in Israel and Jews here, and I have another.Many people in Israel agree with the government there and support the conflicts in Iran and Lebanon.As do many Jews in the UK.

Is one view more valid than the other?

Oreo

The thread title is wrong, Trump has hinted that he could change our trade deal but hasn’t said that he will scrap it.

You are right. Trump said he may change the trade deal which seems very beneficial to the US so he is unlikely to scrap it.

'Trump says', I wish his nonsense would fade away, just like his support in the USA.

Fallingstar

eazybee

Absolutely not.
We had a reasonable trade deal with America, better than most, which has been systematically undone by Starmer's behaviour.
His intention has always been to return to Europe, ignoring the democratic result of the Referendum, and he is achieving his aim. Disaster awaits.

So Starmer should have joined in an illegal war to appease Trump??
I don’t think any of this is related to Brexit. Starmer has to form closer ties with European allies right now in order to defend the nation seeing as Trump is increasingly hostile and aggressive to Europe and the UK. And he is also a very dangerous loose cannon, on top of the threat we face with Putin.

Is any war legal?

Very interesting point Mean.

Oreo

Fallingstar has one view of the Israeli government and Jews in Israel and Jews here, and I have another.Many people in Israel agree with the government there and support the conflicts in Iran and Lebanon.As do many Jews in the UK.

I agree with this Oreo.
Like very many other people, there are widely differing opinions.

In my opinion I don’t think any war is necessary unless a sovereign country is being attacked/invaded. In the Second World War it was necessary because Hitler was invading other sovereign countries.
As for legal, this is tricky. The war in Iraq is deemed illegal but international law/protocols were sought as far as I know and allies were consulted. Yet still I believe it is an illegal war because it was not necessary. Iraq posed no threat to western countries and Osama Bin Laden was not associated with the Ba’athist regime led by Saddam. He also didn’t have WMD.
The present Iran war didn’t follow any international protocols and no western allies were consulted. Also Iran didn’t pose a threat to western countries. Nor can their regime be topppled from the air. So illegal several times over.
Not sure if this argument holds water but is the best I can come up with.

ronib

What is so righteous about allowing Iran to continue its war against Israel? What is so shameful about protecting Jews? It’s becoming obvious that Jews in London are being attacked. Why? Is it because the Uk makes it clear that Israel won’t be defended by the Uk?

I don't follow the logic of that rhetorical question. Even if the UK were to join in the Israeli/attacks on Lebanon and Iran, it wouldn't make any difference to how Jewish people are protected in the UK.

There are people who correlate being Jewish with the actions of the Israeli government just as there are people who correlate being Muslim with the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah - all wrongly.

I see no justification at all for the UK to join in attacks on Iran and Lebanon. Those attacks are not to defend Israel anyway.

I don’t think I understand your last sentence. twaddle

Maremia

Is one view more valid than the other?

No! Undoubtedly some Jews will support their govt and some Jews won’t.

The bottom line is, whatever their views, beliefs and moral conscience, many many people, who are not Jews, don’t agree with the ongoing indiscriminate slaughter of people in Gaza or Iran.

The important thing, imo, is that we accept that there are two sides to every story, however that doesn’t alter facts, facts that clearly show 1) innocent people of all nationalities and faiths, are being killed 2) within the UK we can do our very best to protect minority groups and I count both Jews and Muslims.

Terrorism has no colour, no faith, no particular nationality and is always wrong. Those “posing” as leaders are also often wrong, in my view Trump, Netanyahu, Putin are among the very worst of such leaders, along with the current secular govt in Iran, the leader of North Korea and many corrupt govts within Africa.

Us humans can be evil, horrible, insane people. It’s sad and tragic.

ronib

I don’t think I understand your last sentence. twaddle

Simples! The attacks on Iran and Lebanon will not result in making Israel safer. They are not to defend Israel. They're bogus justification for Israel to grab land in south Lebanon and to distract from what is going on on the West Bank.

And to extend Netanyahu's time in government. He keeps promising Israelis "total victory" but it's not going to happen no matter how big the buffer zone between Israel and hostile states.

Not to attack Iran would lead to Iran developing nuclear weapons and with its current theocracy, to fulfil its objective of destroying Israel. Simple.

ronib

Not to attack Iran would lead to Iran developing nuclear weapons and with its current theocracy, to fulfil its objective of destroying Israel. Simple.

If gaining nukes meant Iran would use them against Israel they would wipe out their own country too, also if this is the remit when countries we consider rogue get nukes I would expect Northern Korea to use theirs.
In a nutshell nukes are not so much a weapon as a deterrent and certainly Israel and the US would not have attacked Iran if they had them.

ronib

Not to attack Iran would lead to Iran developing nuclear weapons and with its current theocracy, to fulfil its objective of destroying Israel. Simple.

In your opinion.