Trump says he will scrap trade deal with UK

AGAA4

Trump is lying again saying Iran has agreed to the US taking the enriched uranium from them and no money will be involved. Iran deny this and said nothing will be taken from Iran to go abroad.
He also says a deal is very close but Iran have said if the US don't move the blockade they will close the Strait again.
It seems that a deal is a long way off for now.

And Iran has declared it will open the Straits, outmanoeuvring Trump again.
But nothing has changed in Iran, except many, including children lie dead, and the infrastructure is partially destroyed, meaning they cannot easily rebuild their lives: the regime remains in place, as do the Revolutionary Guard.

So much for regime change and freeing the people. empty words.

Basgetti - he rules by fear. Those around him dare not contradict him, and are part of the problem. Its an evil cult.

Brexiteers got it wrong again innit

Trump is lying again saying Iran has agreed to the US taking the enriched uranium from them and no money will be involved. Iran deny this and said nothing will be taken from Iran to go abroad.
He also says a deal is very close but Iran have said if the US don't move the blockade they will close the Strait again.
It seems that a deal is a long way off for now.

But it's inevitable surely that he will Maremia and they'll go down with him.

The people 'minding ' and supporting Trump have too much to lose, when he goes down.
They are not the sort of people who will think, must do what's best for the Nation.

Allsorts

It’s the only thing in my opinion that Starmer has got absolutely right. Don't do deals with the Devil. I think Trump has severe NPD, a coward and very dangerous, he has conveniently lost all records of his Epstein days but people cover up for him just as they did when Biden had his problems. Just think what will happen if Putin and Trump ever join forces.

Allsorts. I absolutely agree.

Yes. Biden hung on far too long. The Democrats lost the election rather than the Republicans actually won it.

ronib

Once again today’s Turbulent Times offers the opposite view. Trump’s blockade of Hormuz is working. Iran’s economy is suffering and the EU and UK have taken entirely the wrong position. An interesting read.

If Trump and Netanyahu hadn't started this illegal war in the first place, then Hormuz would not have been blocked.

Plus the fact that the assassination attempt resulted in Trumps popularity increasing.

TiggyW

I still can’t believe what the US electorate were thinking when they elected Trump! 🙃

I think the Democrats were partly to blame by not getting Biden to stand down.

I still can’t believe what the US electorate were thinking when they elected Trump! 🙃

My mother has undiagnosed dementia, entering finally stage now we think, lost all inhibitions, inappropriate language/behaviour in public places, etc. still in absolute denial and refusing diagnosis. Walks out of surgery every time. Nothing we can do about it until she becomes a danger to herself or others, when she can be sectioned.

Perhaps it’s the same in the USA, that a person can’t be certified if they are in denial?

It’s the only reason I can think of that he hasn’t been removed. He’s clearly unwell.

Trump should be certified; he must have alzheimers!

“They are also looking into the $20m fee that Trump collected for putting on the pageant from those same business partners – along with extraordinary allegations about Trump’s private conduct behind closed doors at the Ritz-Carlton hotel during his 2013 stay in Moscow”
This is the important bit imo. I have read that the Russians were secretly filming his activities.

Casdon

I think Putin has something on Trump, I’ve thought so for years. Maybe Epstein, maybe some dodgy business dealings, who knows - but something that has the potential to bring Trump down.

Rumours circulating for years regarding compromising film of him with Russian hired ladies in an hotel room.

Casdon

I think Putin has something on Trump, I’ve thought so for years. Maybe Epstein, maybe some dodgy business dealings, who knows - but something that has the potential to bring Trump down.

Sitting in a makeshift studio overlooking the Moscow river on a crisp day in November 2013, Donald Trump pouted, stared down the lens of a television camera and said something he would come to regret.

Asked by an interviewer whether he had a relationship with Russian president Vladimir Putin, the brash New York businessman could not resist boasting. “I do have a relationship with him,” Trump said.

Russia’s strongman had “done a very brilliant job”, Trump told MSNBC’s Thomas Roberts, before declaring that Putin had bested Barack Obama. “He’s done an amazing job – he’s put himself really at the forefront of the world as a leader in a short period of time.”

Trump, a teetotaler, seemed intoxicated by the buzz surrounding the glitzy event that had brought him back to Moscow: that year’s instalment of the Miss Universe contest that he then owned.

Robert Mueller<br>In this June 21, 2017 photo, Special Counsel Robert Mueller departs Capitol Hill following a closed door meeting in Washington. Mueller’s team of investigators is in possession of a letter drafted by President Donald Trump and an aide, but never sent, that lays out a rationale for firing FBI Director James Comey, according to a person familiar with the investigation. (AP Photo/Andrew Harnik)
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Four years later, he is struggling to shake off the hangover.

The 2013 pageant has become a focal point for the simultaneous investigations, led by special counsel Robert Mueller and congressional committees, into whether associates of Trump colluded with Russian officials to help them win the 2016 US presidential election.

Investigators are examining closely efforts apparently made by the Russian government to pass Trump’s team damaging information on Hillary Clinton, using Trump’s politically connected Miss Universe business partners as couriers.

They are also looking into the $20m fee that Trump collected for putting on the pageant from those same business partners – along with extraordinary allegations about Trump’s private conduct behind closed doors at the Ritz-Carlton hotel during his 2013 stay in Moscow.

The Russians have a history of using investments to gain leverage over influential people and later calling in favours
Al Franken
The Guardian has learned of additional, previously unreported, connections between Trump’s business partners on the pageant and Russia’s government. The ties are likely to attract further scrutiny by investigators who are already biting at the heels of Trump associates.

A full accounting of Trump’s actions in the Russian capital as that autumn turned to winter may be critical to resolving a controversy that has already consumed the first eight months of his presidency.

I also think Netanyahu has something on Trump. The Israelis are known for rooting out indiscretions and probably know more about Epstein.

I think Putin has something on Trump, I’ve thought so for years. Maybe Epstein, maybe some dodgy business dealings, who knows - but something that has the potential to bring Trump down.

I’m thinking Trump and Putin have already joined forces behind the scenes. They love each other . Birds of a feather and all that.

Wrong thread

What role did David Lammy, as Foreign Secretary, play in Mandelson’s appointment?

It’s the only thing in my opinion that Starmer has got absolutely right. Don't do deals with the Devil. I think Trump has severe NPD, a coward and very dangerous, he has conveniently lost all records of his Epstein days but people cover up for him just as they did when Biden had his problems. Just think what will happen if Putin and Trump ever join forces.

I can't believe that any rational person believes the UK should support Trump. He is an egotistical bully and blasphemer
We are lucky to have a Prime Minister that consults others before acting.

Thx Eazy, Brexit WAS indeed 'democratic', but by an extremely narrow majority.

Many organisations have written into their constitution (some countries also) the necessity for a 2-thirds majority, or similar (60 to 40% perhaps?) for various types of momentous change. Sadly, but perhaps not surprisingly, messrs Dave & George didn't have the wit to make that specification.

Just to be clear, WHICH parts of the UK's activities since Brexit are you claiming to be an outstanding success?

Gfplux

Trump has managed to make the USA unrecognizable to its friends in 12 months of reckless and dangerous behaviour. America is no longer the friend and ally of Europe we must pivot/uncouple away from the USA, like a slow divorce as quickly as humanly possible. it will take time but there is no going back.

Agree totally.
For it is not just the POTUS we can’t trust it is the voters, and they aren’t going anywhere. What if they vote in another loon after Trump, perhaps Vance will get his chance, God help us.
In any case it has made all western allies reevaluate their relationship with the US and Europe with the UK is looking at their own defences without relying on the US. These kind of decisions will separate us from the US, and are too costly for us to reverse once Trump is out of the Whitehouse.
The die has been cast.