News of Iran ceasefire

Casdon

No, I’m right. A country doesnt have to be a terrorist regime for it to have an untrustworthy government.

There is no greater fear (with governments possessing the nuclear deterrent ) than thinking that Iran had it.

Nobody wants Iran to have a nuclear weapon but they will be hell bent on getting one now.
Under their present regimes I'm not happy that the US and Israel have nuclear weapons either.

They were hell bent on getting one whatever🤷🏼‍♀️

And if nobody wants them to have it then the only way is to physically stop them.

Oreo

And if nobody wants them to have it then the only way is to physically stop them.

That's worked out well.

The conflict with Iran began because of religious extremism, unless a commitment to end that there will be no end to conflict.
If Iran maintains its goal of destroying Israel and sponsoring terrorism we will be back here again in a few years, the old leaders have gone the new leaders have got to commit to peaceful coexistence.

David49👍🏻
It isn’t over yet AGAA4 😉

Yes you are right Casdon and a country doesn't have to have an evil regime to have a war mongering, money grabbing despot at the helm.

As for the BBC forever targeting the US and Israel for every misdemeanour, starting an illegal war and lying about why you've done so hardly constitutes a misdemeanour.

Iran had an agreement with the US negotiated and signed during the Obama administration

From AI

Start

The agreement you’re referring to is the *Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA)*, commonly called the Iran nuclear deal.

### What it was

It was a 2015 international agreement negotiated under *Barack Obama* between Iran and a group of major powers (the U.S., UK, France, Germany, Russia, China, plus the EU).

### Core idea

Iran agreed to *limit its nuclear program*, and in return, other countries agreed to *lift economic sanctions*. ([Encyclopedia Britannica][1])

### Key terms of the deal

* Iran reduced the number of centrifuges used to enrich uranium
* Uranium enrichment was capped at low levels (not weapons-grade)
* Iran’s stockpile of enriched uranium was sharply reduced
* International inspectors (from the IAEA) were allowed to monitor facilities
* In exchange, nuclear-related international sanctions were lifted ([Encyclopedia Britannica][1])

### Purpose

The goal was to *prevent Iran from developing nuclear weapons*, or at least significantly delay its ability to do so, without resorting to war.

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End

Trump tore it up in 2016 and did nothing further.

They were allowed to monitor exactly what Iran wanted them to monitor.

David49

The conflict with Iran began because of religious extremism, unless a commitment to end that there will be no end to conflict.
If Iran maintains its goal of destroying Israel and sponsoring terrorism we will be back here again in a few years, the old leaders have gone the new leaders have got to commit to peaceful coexistence.

There's been turmoil in the Middle East for thousands of years.

It's not going to end now however they proclaim peace.

valdavi

Wyllow3

Well Israel has made clear it won't change its attack on the Lebanon but has he said anything specific on not firing on Iran?

Israelis say Trump didn't consult them, but hopefully the real possibility of incurring USA's wrath will make them confine themselves to badmouthing all & sundry and not actually breaking the Iran ceasefire.
It's ridiculous, Israel is less than a third the size of Scotland, a smidgen bigger than Wales, & it has so much influence over events in that pivotal part of the world.

It is highly armed too.

Oreo 15.53.

You'd be hard pushed to call US under Trump 'a normal country with a normal government' these days! Let's not forget US have not always played "clean" when it comes to Iran.

Between 1981 and 1986 The US imposed an arms embargo that left the Iran military, in the midst of its war with Iraq, desperate for weapons etc. However the Reagan administration thought that would likely push the Iranians to seek support from the Soviet Union, which it considered not in us interests. Rather than end the embargo Reagan decided to secretly sell weapons to Iran starting in 1981. This carried on until 1986 when a Lebanese magazine exposed the deal. That revelation sparked the Iran Contra scandal in the US with Reagan's officials found to have collected money from Iran illegally and sent those funds to anti socialist rebels, the Contras in Nicaragua.

It was actually IRAN who quietly contacted the US State Department through the Swiss embassy in Iran in 2003, seeking a 'dialogue in mutual respect' to address 4 big issues- nuclear weapons, terrorism, Palestinian resistance and stability in Iraq. Dialogue continued on and off (mostly off) until 2015 when an Iran Nuclear deal was signed achieved by Obama's administration diplomatic efforts from 2013 to success in 2015. The deal was signed by US, China, France, Germany, Russia and the UK. It severely limited Iran's capacity to enrich uranium and mandated international inspectors to monitor and enforce Iran's compliance with the agreement. Inspectors regularly certified that Iran was abiding by the terms agreements right up until 2018.

Then it was President Trump that then withdrew from this agreement in May 2018. 2 years later in 2020 US drones killed the leader of Iran's elite Quds force. Trump claimed at the time that there was an imminent Iran attack against US assets but no clear evidence has ever been found/provided to support that claim. I could go on but we've all seen how things have played out between Trump/Us and Iran since he came back into office 2025.

I suspect Trump may need to accept in the coming 2 weeks/months his only available goal in reality is to exert diplomacy and try and get back to the agreement he withdrew from in 2018. For this he will need to oversee US diplomatic efforts with Iran and other allies (after denigrating and undermining them on the world stage recently) to get signatures on board similar to the agreement in 2015.

Oreo - So do you think Trump and co should now continue to further bomb Iran as threatened to root out any tiny possibly there might be enriched uranium stored anywhere at all?

that they should continue to bomb Iran innocents on the ground of "regime change"

You realise that means all out bombing or boots on the ground?

Can you be clear what you are asking for ?

As, 10 years on, they still don't have nuclear weapons it seems to have been working despite Trump.

Is it propaganda that you are repeating, Oreo or the considered opinion of war studies experts?

Whitewavemark2

One thing I think we must all expect is Trumps revenge on NATO countries. What form this takes is not clear, but I would not be surprised if there is underhand cooperation with Putin in taking one of the Balkans, the USA as a NATO country refusing to defend them, and existing NATO countries left out to dry.

But if it is to mean anything we must remain firm against such threats and Trumps nonsense.

That may turn out to be a profound post.

Oreo

sixandahalf

Oreo

How is the victory Irans? That sounds like the idiotic followers of the regime who suck up anything the leaders say.
Iran has been targeted again and again, had thousands literally of missile attacks, all the top dogs have been killed, their missile factories and weapons capabilities gone, their Navy gone, uranium enrichment gone and so on and so forth.They couldn’t even find two downed air crew.
The so called new Supreme leader may or may not exist.
They had no choice but to agree to a ceasefire and open up the Strait of Hormuz.

Seems like you are revelling in this somehow.

No need for that.

Don’t be silly, I am stating facts.

I'm not silly.

" All the top dogs have been killed" You know this how?

" Their weapons and capability gone" You are sure?

" They couldn't even find 2 downed air crew" Have you heard of propaganda at all?

Oreo

They were allowed to monitor exactly what Iran wanted them to monitor.

Unlike Israel, who allows no monitoring of its nuclear weapons at all🤷‍♀️

I must say, on the whole, there are a lot more sensible posts on this thread from many posters, than there were even this time last week.

This article explains the whole will they/ won’t they, can they/
can’t they.

thebulletin.org/2025/01/how-quickly-could-iran-build-its-first-nuclear-weapon-look-at-china/

LizzieDrip

Oreo

They were allowed to monitor exactly what Iran wanted them to monitor.

Unlike Israel, who allows no monitoring of its nuclear weapons at all🤷‍♀️

How's the situation with journalists in Gaza these days, talking of monitoring?

fancythat

I must say, on the whole, there are a lot more sensible posts on this thread from many posters, than there were even this time last week.

That wouldn’t be difficult. This thread was only started by David at 06.09 this morning 😂

Petra 16.39- Your factual statement did make me laugh 👏😂

LemonJam

Petra 16.39- Your factual statement did make me laugh 👏😂

You’ve got to get the laughs where you can, don’t you 😂

It must even be obvious to Trump by now (even if he won't admit it publicly) that his threats, Iran strike/war actions to date and hissy fits achieved little- and now he must necessarily accept the need and focus on diplomacy and negotiation to reach a settlement with Iran- possibly similar to the agreement already in place that he left in 2015. I can see no other option open to him in reality.

Some people sadly have to learn the hard way....