News of Iran ceasefire

But it has achieved aims in Iran!
The US never wanted to totally obliterate the country but it could have done had it wanted to.
Regime change was never going to be a given since half the people in Iran think the old murderous tyrants are the best thing since sliced bread.
America hasn’t lost anything, don’t confuse the President with the country.
China has neither gained or lost anything because of the Iran conflict.

Oreo: "There’s victory and victory, if the US and Israel achieve the military advantages they wanted to in Iran then they’re happy. If some of the regime are still alive then they’re happy".

Trump no doubt will make many and myriad claims ( to save face), though he and his claims have lost much credibility globally. He may be 'happy' about some things, as may Netanyahu, as may Iranian leaders. There are also surely many things Trump is and has been unhappy about and have had adverse consequences for him which detract from any of his claims of 'victory'.

The war has not ended so imho too early to talk about 'victory', specifically because the current conditional ceasefire truce is so fragile and the outcome and yet unknown.

The US have not been victorious however much they claim they have. They have not achieved their aims even if anyone knows what their aims were.
Very few will trust the US in future after this war. Trump has alienated all their allies apart from Israel.
It's the usual US blunder in the middle east.
Hard to understand people who believe a word Trump says .

Definitely, those poor people living under that regime. My neighbour got out of Iran, she's free, not religious, She now enjoys a glass of wine wears what she wants I keep my fingers crossed they all get the same one day.

MazieD

*Recognition of its right to enrich uranium
An end to international restrictions on enrichment

6. End of UN and IAEA restrictions
Termination of monitoring or sanctions regimes targeting Iran's nuclear activity

7. US military withdrawal from the region
Removal of US combat forces from the Middle East*

According to BBC News, the 10 point plan includes:-

Iran fully commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons.
No 7 requesting US military withdrawal from the region is not on the 10 point plan.

Moii

Definitely, those poor people living under that regime. My neighbour got out of Iran, she's free, not religious, She now enjoys a glass of wine wears what she wants I keep my fingers crossed they all get the same one day.

But half the population love the old tyrants and all the so called religious/ cultural stuff that goes with it, like beating to death young women for not covering their hair.
Your neighbour did well to get away from all that.👍🏻

Norah

Smileless2012

Lord Acton in 1887 wrote "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely".

Iran has control of the Strait of Hormuz and will not be relinquishing it, it can be re opened without them doing so.

I suspect Trump's biggest concern is coming out of this without looking anymore incompetent than he does already.

I agree. Follow the money.

It seems POTUS appears to exaggerates everything. Time to change topic from the 'pilot' (false, backseat weapons person) who is likely not the named rank - used to seem important - to begin promoting his 'deal'.

I wonder if anyone actually believes a word he utters?

Any aircrew are important, not just the pilots! Rank immaterial. Any personnel lost in enemy territory are important.

Was that what Trump said? It sounds as if it is straight from the Trump playbook, that it didn't matter about the airman, he wasn't a pilot anyway. 😲
Whatever next!

Oreo

But it has achieved aims in Iran!
The US never wanted to totally obliterate the country but it could have done had it wanted to.
Regime change was never going to be a given since half the people in Iran think the old murderous tyrants are the best thing since sliced bread.
America hasn’t lost anything, don’t confuse the President with the country.
China has neither gained or lost anything because of the Iran conflict.

Sorry, I find that totally disingenuous and absolutely not the case - a Trump apologist?

Trump said

remove any nuclear threat

make regime change probable..and people danced on the streets of London

All Trump has done is kill a lot of innocents, the Revolutionary Guard and Regime remain intact, the streets and resources to earn a living for the people reduced to rubble

where are the Iranians now dancing in the streets in London?

Not any Iranian that I know. (one female artist who had to get out because of her work, and 4 blokes who are critical of the regime of course but political realists -

from day one they all said,

"but there is no viable opposition and this has nothing to do with freeing those brave enough to stand up tot he regime"

You think Trump is going to help those people whose lives are destroyed?

And to cap it all, we don't know if nuke capacity has been destroyed at all

Oreo

Moii

Definitely, those poor people living under that regime. My neighbour got out of Iran, she's free, not religious, She now enjoys a glass of wine wears what she wants I keep my fingers crossed they all get the same one day.

But half the population love the old tyrants and all the so called religious/ cultural stuff that goes with it, like beating to death young women for not covering their hair.
Your neighbour did well to get away from all that.👍🏻

That is the problem and Trump has probably made it worse for those who wanted regime change. They will be accused of being friends of America.

Here is The 10-point plan for the conditional ceasefire, according to Iran the BBC published today at 00:20- according to an IRANIAN state broadcaster:

"1) Complete cessation of the war on Iraq, Lebanon, and Yemen
2) Complete and permanent cessation of the war on Iran with no time limit
3) Ending all conflicts in the region in their entirety
4) Reopening the Strait of Hormuz
5) Establishing a protocol and conditions to ensure freedom and security of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz
6) Full payment of compensation for reconstruction costs to Iran
7) Full commitment to lifting sanctions on Iran
8) Release of Iranian funds and frozen assets held by the United States
9) Iran fully commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons

Immediate ceasefire takes effect on all fronts immediately upon approval of the above conditions."

One thing I think we must all expect is Trumps revenge on NATO countries. What form this takes is not clear, but I would not be surprised if there is underhand cooperation with Putin in taking one of the Balkans, the USA as a NATO country refusing to defend them, and existing NATO countries left out to dry.

But if it is to mean anything we must remain firm against such threats and Trumps nonsense.

where are the Iranians now dancing in the streets in London?

They were, and in many countries around the world, in jubilation and hope. However, nepotism reigns in Iran and one despot replaced another.

Whitewavemark2

One thing I think we must all expect is Trumps revenge on NATO countries. What form this takes is not clear, but I would not be surprised if there is underhand cooperation with Putin in taking one of the Balkans, the USA as a NATO country refusing to defend them, and existing NATO countries left out to dry.

But if it is to mean anything we must remain firm against such threats and Trumps nonsense.

Oh f... I hope not.
The Balkans have suffered enough over the years.

They have removed any nuclear threat and decimated the Iranian Navy and missile capabilities so how is that disingenuous?
Regime change rather than just killing some of the leaders including the supreme leader would have been good but was never certain as half the population support them.
Trump hasn’t just killed a lot of innocents but a lot of the IRGC, they hang on as does some of the regime but depleted.

1) Israel has not agreed to include Lebanon in ceasefire

4) Iran may agree to reopen straight but that does not in itself lead to commerce starting to flow:

According to shipping experts the US-Israeli ceasefire with Iran is unlikely to lead to a swift exit for the hundreds of oil and gas tankers trapped in the Gulf. One seafarer who is aboard an oil tanker stranded behind the strait of Hormuz told the Guardian that shipping companies would require more certainty before they attempt to transit the strait. “We’re at anchor, near dozens of loaded tankers. No one has moved an inch,” they said.
The seafarer said that bulk carriers, loaded with dry bulk such as cars and containers, had begun to move towards the Gulf but that major shipping companies would be unlikely to move oil and gas tankers without the go-ahead from insurance companies.

“No reputable company, with any links to EU countries, will risk moving without Lloyds and major insurers saying that they can,” they said. “Transiting the strait will require more certainty; insurers will need to agree to insure these cargoes and there would need to be a better understanding of how to pay “toll fees” to a country which is still officially sanctioned.”
It will take several days before the impact of the truce on shipping becomes clear, according to Torbjorn Soltvedt, an analyst at risk intelligence company Verisk Maplecroft.
“Before the war, daily transits through the strait of Hormuz exceeded 100 ships per day and any increase from the trickle of ships currently passing the strait is likely to be gradual,” Soltvedt said. “Two weeks will not be enough to clear the backlog even if there is a marked increase in traffic.”

Whitewavemark2

One thing I think we must all expect is Trumps revenge on NATO countries. What form this takes is not clear, but I would not be surprised if there is underhand cooperation with Putin in taking one of the Balkans, the USA as a NATO country refusing to defend them, and existing NATO countries left out to dry.

But if it is to mean anything we must remain firm against such threats and Trumps nonsense.

That’s just your overthinking of the situation.

Wyllow3

*And to cap it all, we don't know if nuke capacity has been destroyed at all*

It will have been, the US know exactly where these things are.

5) Establishing a protocol and conditions to ensure freedom and security of navigation in the Strait of Hormuz

Yet to be agreed in next 2 weeks for insurance companies to be satisfied.

9) Iran fully commits to not seeking possession of any nuclear weapons

YET Answering questions from the media today, Hegseth says that Iran will give the US its enriched uranium or else the States will “take it out”. He says the “new Iranian regime” has a different interaction with America than before.
Hegseth says he hopes and believes the ceasefire will hold, reinforcing that the strait of Hormuz is now open and commerce will flow.

Hegsworht is miles apart from reality of commerce flow in the straights and what Iran's ceasefire conditions. Threats of taking out Iran still continue today....

Can anyone really think Trump will agree to:

6) Full payment of compensation for reconstruction costs to Iran
7) Full commitment to lifting sanctions on Iran
8) Release of Iranian funds and frozen assets held by the United States

In a word, no😄

Oreo 15.17: "They have removed any nuclear threat and decimated the Iranian Navy and missile capabilities so how is that disingenuous?"

So why has Hegseth threatened in the past few hours that 'Iran will give the US its enriched uranium or else the States will “take it out”.

It will take weeks for backlog shipping to go through, and it will take even longer for a final peace deal to be agreed.

Allira

Whitewavemark2

One thing I think we must all expect is Trumps revenge on NATO countries. What form this takes is not clear, but I would not be surprised if there is underhand cooperation with Putin in taking one of the Balkans, the USA as a NATO country refusing to defend them, and existing NATO countries left out to dry.

But if it is to mean anything we must remain firm against such threats and Trumps nonsense.

Oh f... I hope not.
The Balkans have suffered enough over the years.

Yes I do agree, but NATO has been a constant theme throughout this latest fracas.

Trump will undoubtedly seek revenge as he has done so many times before.

I don't believe the US has stopped the possibility of Iran having a nuclear weapon. It's a big country and they do seem to hide things deep underground.
This war has made the world a more dangerous place to live. Iran won't forget and there will be more terrorists than ever.

I agree- we're in this for the long haul. Thanks America!