Sickening antisemitic attack.

I'm with you, Cossy. I really don't know when this will end - or if it will.

twaddle

eazybee

Reform has never struck me as antisemitic.
At the moment no-one knows who was responsible although there is footage of three people approaching the ambulances before they burst into flames.

Muslims are the current scapegoats, which is why you'll sometimes see Israeli flags flying at right wing marches. They have a common enemy. Nevertheless, antisemitism is a form of bigotry and some Reform supporters most definitely strike me as bigots.

It was Jewish ambulances that were burned, outside a synagogue.

It’s an Islamic group that has claimed responsibility.

How is that scapegoating Muslims as a group? That’s a bit of a leap 🤔

@Jaberwok This is the second thing inside seven days that has deeply shocked me. The first was the amended abortion bill which seems almost certainly to become law. The new Archbishop of Canterbury apparently believes it to be 'a complicated matter'. No Archbishop, it's the legal murder of another human being who cannot defend itself by the very person who should be protecting it. Adoption is surely a better option?

You REALLY need to educate yourself about the "new" abortion law.

BTW Nobody is going to adopt a non-viable foetus that's not going to survive outside its mother.

I don't believe that paddyanne's post is saying 'it's okay'.
I think she may be saying that there are other reasons for criminal destruction of property, by referencing events that occur in her area.
It is a principle on GN that Posters may put forward different points, as long as they stay within the GN rules.
In fact, this was just being discussed in a concurrent Thread.

I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions they are taking.

Me too Cossy, and the consequences.

I fear that there will be more antisemitic attacks but also the chance of more general terrorist attacks seeing as Iran has said that the UK is a legitimate target.
Any war of this nature will bring in its wake a rash of terrorist attacks.
Am afraid it won’t just be a cost of living crisis we need to worry about.

Delila

^I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions they are taking^.

Me too Cossy, and the consequences.

I agree.

Fallingstar

Delila

I hold Trump and Netanyahu personally responsible for the actions they are taking.

Me too Cossy, and the consequences.

I agree.

I also agree.

No one is talking about a non viable foetus, this sad state of affairs is covered medically and lawfully all through pregnancy. We are talking about abortion by the mother for any reason including the wrong sex baby right up to the point of birth. This cannot be morally, or indeed medically right. A baby at 7 months, even younger can survive outside the womb, how can it possibly be right to deliberately murder a full term healthy, helpless infant? Frankly 16 weeks is plenty late enough for abortion, if not possible, then what's wrong with adoption?

Jaberwok

No one is talking about a non viable foetus, this sad state of affairs is covered medically and lawfully all through pregnancy. We are talking about abortion by the mother for any reason including the wrong sex baby right up to the point of birth. This cannot be morally, or indeed medically right. A baby at 7 months, even younger can survive outside the womb, how can it possibly be right to deliberately murder a full term healthy, helpless infant? Frankly 16 weeks is plenty late enough for abortion, if not possible, then what's wrong with adoption?

What has this got to do with the awful antisemitic attack on ambulances.
Please could you start another thread.

Fallingstar

Jaberwok

No one is talking about a non viable foetus, this sad state of affairs is covered medically and lawfully all through pregnancy. We are talking about abortion by the mother for any reason including the wrong sex baby right up to the point of birth. This cannot be morally, or indeed medically right. A baby at 7 months, even younger can survive outside the womb, how can it possibly be right to deliberately murder a full term healthy, helpless infant? Frankly 16 weeks is plenty late enough for abortion, if not possible, then what's wrong with adoption?

What has this got to do with the awful antisemitic attack on ambulances.
Please could you start another thread.

I tried to post this afternoon but it wouldn't post.

Threads do meander but this is a totally different subject. Both are emotive so it might be a good idea to start another thread, Jaberwok.

paddyann54

Honestly …I think it was just some Ned who thought why should anyone have private ambulances when my mum or gran or child has to wait hours for one.
Probably didn,t even know they were for the Jewish community.
The hatred is for people who have things the rest of the community don’t have access to .Its been posh cars in our area ,set on fire almost daily

No, completely wrong assumptions, paddyann.

I think it was just some Ned who thought why should anyone have private ambulances when my mum or gran or child has to wait hours for one.

"Now Madam Deputy Speaker, the House will be aware that police are treating this arson attack as an antisemitic hate crime".

"The investigation is now being led by Counter Terrorism Policing, although I should emphasise that this has not been declared a terrorist incident at this stage."
Dan Jarvis, Security Minister

An Iran-aligned militant network has claimed responsibility for the arson attack on Jewish ambulances in north London early Monday, a monitoring organisation said, linking the incident to a string of similar fires across Europe.
Iran International

Probably didn,t even know they were for the Jewish community.
They are not exclusively for the Jewish community

The hatred is for people who have things the rest of the community don’t have access to
Again, a wrong assumption as this ambulance service was available to all.

Pleased to see the Gofundme has almost reached target.

People selfelessly giving their time and expertise to others, regardless of their religion, race, gender, etc.

There's many a "hiding in plain sight" here on Gransnet.

The Government has pledged to replace the ambulances.

The Government will fund the replacement of four Jewish community ambulances destroyed in an arson attack, the Health Secretary has announced.

Wes Streeting also pledged that staff from London Ambulance Service will support Hatzola – the charity that provides the ambulance service in Golders Green – to ensure emergency callouts are covered.

Speaking at the scene in north London, Mr Streeting said: “The aim of these attackers is clear.

“They want Jewish people in this country to live smaller lives, to live less Jewish lives, to be less visible as Jewish people, to fear going about Jewish life.

“I know that the Jewish community will not be cowed by this despicable act of evil, but it is the responsibility of the rest of us not to be bystanders.

“Every decent person in this country needs to stand up and speak up against this vile antisemitic hatred.

That’s something I noticed a good while ago Ferry23 ☹️

Good for Wes Streeting😃

ferry23

Pleased to see the Gofundme has almost reached target.

People selfelessly giving their time and expertise to others, regardless of their religion, race, gender, etc.

There's many a "hiding in plain sight" here on Gransnet.

Go fund what please?

Why are regular NHS ambulances insufficient?

Yes, excellent statement by Wes Streeting.

Ask someone who has waited on a cold pavement for one to arrive for several hours.

Maremia

I don't believe that paddyanne's post is saying 'it's okay'.
I think she may be saying that there are other reasons for criminal destruction of property, by referencing events that occur in her area.
It is a principle on GN that Posters may put forward different points, as long as they stay within the GN rules.
In fact, this was just being discussed in a concurrent Thread.

I don't think anybody has said paddyann's post said it was OK, what we've said is she immediately dismisses it is an antisemitic act, despite the ambulances being clearly marked and parked next to a synagogue. If she is correct then I don't suppose the ransacking of a mosque and destruction of books that I read about over the weekend had anything to do with Islamaphobia but was just random vandalism that we see in other places, my grandson's Church nursery school for instance.

Gosh that was awful. Doesn't seem to have had as much publicity. Probably happens more than we hear about.

Both antisemitic attacks and Islamaphobia attacks are both regularly reported in the press and media.

Both evil

Oreo

Ask someone who has waited on a cold pavement for one to arrive for several hours.

Many people have?