Sickening antisemitic attack.

Good, thoughtful post, Terribull.

Oreo

Well Wyllow3 I’m Jewish too and it may surprise you that not all agree!
The present conflict in the ME is used as an excuse to be anti semitic and there is no gainsaying that.Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Jews in the UK have zilch to do with anything happening in that region.
Are British Muslims now being blamed for the things Iran is doing, targeting their neighbours in unfair retaliation? The truth is that for any amount of years there are those who simply dislike either Jews or Muslims but somehow this conflict between the US and Israel against Iran has given a green light to those in the UK so that it’s acceptable to target Jews either verbally or physically, and even those who are generally not antisemitic have chosen to ‘take sides’ and look sideways at Jews. It’s a situation almost as old as time.

As I stated on the Margate art gallery thread, I perceive the attacks on the Jewish community to be three pronged. From the far right, the far left and Islamists, the latter at times find support among a minority of the far left, their hatred, whilst not as overt and out there as Islamist hatred, nevertheless can be very thinly veiled. In this latest attack the names of the perpetrators denoting ethnicity really isn't a surprise.

The hatred and the targeting of Jewish communities through the passage of time has in some scenarios gone back to the utterly spurious claim from the predominantly Christian world "they killed Jesus" The role played by the Roman conquerors of the day has never been transferable to their modern day descendants, whoever they might be, because blaming any race for an event that happened 2000 years ago is beyond ludicrous. Jews as a collective have had umpteen spurious allegations laid at their door throughout history, underpinned at times by that primary accusation. To add to that, they now as a race are obviously from some quarters, culpable for whatever ills the Israeli government are carrying out. Oh and add this one into the mix, the time immemorial misnomer which always presents as a recurring theme, "all Jews are rich and they control the world's financial systems" a theme personified in so called artworks.

I continue to view our Jewish community as one of the most vulnerable and at times I feel they don't have the cordon of protection thrown around them that other demographics enjoy.

Two young men have been charged with setting these ambulances on fire. Iqbal and Khan. A third man has not been named.

And there is always a reason. Same as men attacking women. She goaded me, I lost my temper, it was a mistake, etc. I am not actually interested except to say again I don't want this enacted on the streets of this country, which to be honest is I think the only sane position.

I think if you are Jewish you will not have been totally surprised at the attack on the Manchester Synagogue. Up until then, antisemitism was always manageable in our country, but now it is happening on a weekly basis.

The latest attack on Jewish ambulances of all things, just shows what depths people will sink to to express their hatred. The people who committed this crime weren't from the local area, just bearing a grudge. They had travelled across London to reach their target.

I don't see how we can stop such incidents becoming normalised in the future. It's a very scary situation, and I'm sorry Keir Starmer, words are not enough.

Because the answer is the obvious one perhaps.

Of course, I realise people disagree, it's why we are discussing it. But it is important to realise there are different views and that many do wish to ask "why change, why worse".

It will happen anyway, and if we dont join the dialogues then we dont get to consider possibilities. Any analysis that might help, imo, can only be good. I really don't get the problem.

If we start from the premise that the Jewish peoples have always had anti semitism directed agains them

but it has varied in different times and places

why not ask

"why"?

….and it must be remembered that it isn’t Jews here in the UK that ever cause any problems to others.

Jews have always been targeted for being Jews, useless looking for a cause,

even those who are generally not antisemitic have chosen to ‘take sides’ and look sideways at Jews
I fear some people might now been given the excuse they were looking for to express their dislike of Jews. But it was always there, pretty much since time immemorial.

Well Wyllow3 I’m Jewish too and it may surprise you that not all agree!
The present conflict in the ME is used as an excuse to be anti semitic and there is no gainsaying that.Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows that Jews in the UK have zilch to do with anything happening in that region.
Are British Muslims now being blamed for the things Iran is doing, targeting their neighbours in unfair retaliation? The truth is that for any amount of years there are those who simply dislike either Jews or Muslims but somehow this conflict between the US and Israel against Iran has given a green light to those in the UK so that it’s acceptable to target Jews either verbally or physically, and even those who are generally not antisemitic have chosen to ‘take sides’ and look sideways at Jews. It’s a situation almost as old as time.

If you attack jewish people because of the actions of a government in another country you are a maniac. I don't want this war being fought on the streets of this country.

Why is that excusing it? if we don't understand the causes, the triggers, and history of events then we are helpless to address them.

Read Fallingstar above: she is Jewish, but clearly believes one has to understand for example when she says above

"It is geopolitics in the ME that has weaponised religion very much as in the holy crusades. And sadly now innocent Jews and Muslims are being targeted simply for being who they are."

If we fail to seek the reason why matters have got worse, they will just get worse as we don't have the tools to try and improve the situation

Explaining it, giving reasons why it is happening.

Galaxy

There have always been excuses for antisemitism, the situation in Israel is the latest.
Oh and I don't want that war fought out on the streets of this country.

Who's excusing anti-semitism?

There have always been excuses for antisemitism, the situation in Israel is the latest.
Oh and I don't want that war fought out on the streets of this country.

Three people have been charged.
Hamza Iqbal 20 and Rehan Khan 19, and a 17 year old.

Betony - no one is defending the indefensible, Can you look wider .

Betony

Cossy, I'm loath to condemn BN outright for self interest, having learned in a recent documentary that his brother was the only Israeli soldier killed in the Entebbe airplane hostage liberation. Apparently the two brothers were very close and of course were children of the original '1948' generation, I think other things have to be taken into account.

Hang on a minute? It's OK to commit genocide because you have suffered yourself?

Oreo

The Jewish diaspora has always suffered Wyllow3 so nothing new there.

I agree.
Unfortunately this is an additional factor.

I know I’m probably a sole voice and I’m not defending Netanyahu or the illegal settlers . My but is I see more criticism, questioning how the ancestors of holocaust survivors can behave like N…. I’m going to read more about ancestral trauma because I find if difficult to believe it isn’t a factor here.
I’ve read that Jewish people were criticised for not fighting back as they were marginalised and eventually faced a regime that wanted to wipe them from the face of the earth
That’s the phrase the Iranian extremists use

I hope I’m not accused of ignoring all the dead Palestinians .

Wyllow3

Sadly, agree. I truly think his regime is making it worse for the Jewish diaspora worldwide. People shouldn't "make assumptions" - but they do.

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The Jewish diaspora has always suffered Wyllow3 so nothing new there.

Sorry, no national leader should be acting on the basis of personal revenge. Betony seems to to implying that BN is...

I think other things have to be taken into account personal revenge perhaps.