Trump posts racist video of the Obamas

We should also look at the human side of this. The Obamas may be used to the harsh realities of political life, but to see something like this must have hit them to the core, without even imagining how it must have affected their children.
Also it will have offended and upset countless black people in the US including a black Republican politician.
This isn’t just another ridiculous thing Trump has done, it has affected so many actual people. And we need to keep that in mind imho, the human side of this monstrous racist image.

What is heartening to understand, is that Trump’s racism alongside his immigration action - the two go side by side - has meant that his poll ratings are falling like a stone in the USA. Even republicans are beginning to feel decidedly queasy and MAGA are also beginning to reject his racism.

The apologists for his racism are looking very isolated.

I very much hope that people in the U.K. are beginning to understand the consequences of voting in a mini-Trump.

DT is still amazingly popular in the US and he still has three years to run, he won’t be able to stand for a third time.
As for a mini Trump here, if that means Farage ( Boris used to be called that) then Labour will have to up its game massively for it not to happen.As will the Conservatives.

It is astonishing how popular he still is.
It is heartening that he is not as popular as he was before his election.

Approve 39%

Disapprove 59%

What makes interesting reading are the state by state approval ratings.

A total of 5 states mildly approve.
2 strongly approve and 3 are in between.
10 states in total

Every other state disapproves with eastern and far western states - as you’d expect very strongly disapproving, but there is a surprising level of disapproval in traditional red states.

The mid-terms are not looking good for Trump🤞🤞

Wyllow3

Meandrogrog I have seen it and heard it. Heard it in front of me. Heavy duty patronising is one example. Subtle exlusding people from groups another.

The full on racism that we are discussing in the O/P is one extreme - much of the time its subtle, carelessly thrown in, almost without thought.

Assumptions about what people will be like or their feelings are without actually engaging with anyone. it's happening all the time.

I have talked to people from different cultural origins who have grown up with it all their life.

...and its often the people who don't think. they are racist, becauase they cant "See" or "Hear" it, that are the hardest to deal with.

Just read this page.

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=how+everyday+racism+is+so+subtle+we+dont+notice+it&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I admit and own some of these memes: it costs little to self examine and think, "oh, so that is racism.

O MG. Where did that article come from! Never would I or anyone I see or hear ever say anything like the quotes in the article. I wont even repeat them here as I would feel too ashamed to type the words, even though it is to rebut them.

WhiteWave, I think that is why they are so worried about the mid terms.
So many recent Democrat wins, at all levels of Government.

Fallingstar

We should also look at the human side of this. The Obamas may be used to the harsh realities of political life, but to see something like this must have hit them to the core, without even imagining how it must have affected their children.
Also it will have offended and upset countless black people in the US including a black Republican politician.
This isn’t just another ridiculous thing Trump has done, it has affected so many actual people. And we need to keep that in mind imho, the human side of this monstrous racist image.

I don't know, none of us do. The Obamas seen like decent, educated, respectful people and the adult children look as if they are doing well.

Inspite of this vile stuff.

Meandrogrog

Wyllow3

Meandrogrog I have seen it and heard it. Heard it in front of me. Heavy duty patronising is one example. Subtle exlusding people from groups another.

The full on racism that we are discussing in the O/P is one extreme - much of the time its subtle, carelessly thrown in, almost without thought.

Assumptions about what people will be like or their feelings are without actually engaging with anyone. it's happening all the time.

I have talked to people from different cultural origins who have grown up with it all their life.

...and its often the people who don't think. they are racist, becauase they cant "See" or "Hear" it, that are the hardest to deal with.

Just read this page.

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=how+everyday+racism+is+so+subtle+we+dont+notice+it&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I admit and own some of these memes: it costs little to self examine and think, "oh, so that is racism.

O MG. Where did that article come from! Never would I or anyone I see or hear ever say anything like the quotes in the article. I wont even repeat them here as I would feel too ashamed to type the words, even though it is to rebut them.

Then you haven’t been paying attention. Racism of the type outlined in the article is regularly seen on this forum.

Regularly seen on this forum? No it isn’t, there isn’t any racism on this forum in the few years I’ve been on it.
If it was like that in the past then it isn’t now.

This forum is unlike most in that there’s very few deletions.

Just used to banging head against wall, WWM.

GOP Republican Senator Tim Scott called the vile post 'the most racist thing I've seen out of this White House'.

Oreo do you consider antisemitism to be a form of racism?

It’s considered to be a form of racism LizzieDrip but it’s also mixed in with religious prejudice as well.

Whitewavemark2

Meandrogrog

Wyllow3

Meandrogrog I have seen it and heard it. Heard it in front of me. Heavy duty patronising is one example. Subtle exlusding people from groups another.

The full on racism that we are discussing in the O/P is one extreme - much of the time its subtle, carelessly thrown in, almost without thought.

Assumptions about what people will be like or their feelings are without actually engaging with anyone. it's happening all the time.

I have talked to people from different cultural origins who have grown up with it all their life.

...and its often the people who don't think. they are racist, becauase they cant "See" or "Hear" it, that are the hardest to deal with.

Just read this page.

www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=how+everyday+racism+is+so+subtle+we+dont+notice+it&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

I admit and own some of these memes: it costs little to self examine and think, "oh, so that is racism.

O MG. Where did that article come from! Never would I or anyone I see or hear ever say anything like the quotes in the article. I wont even repeat them here as I would feel too ashamed to type the words, even though it is to rebut them.

Then you haven’t been paying attention. Racism of the type outlined in the article is regularly seen on this forum.

I have not been aware of any racism at all on this forum in any posts I have read.

LizzieDrip

Oreo do you consider antisemitism to be a form of racism?

It is not whether or not Oreo considers anti-semitism to be a form of racism.

It is whether or not it is widely considered to be so by academics and scholars, and whether or not is is prejudice against a group or race of people, which most agree it is.
Yes, it is widely considered that it is, although some have tried to argue against this in recent times.

Oreo

They just don’t see it everywhere.

They don’t see it in a mocked up photo of black people being depicted as apes? (Which is what this thread is specifically about). Wow.

Meandrogrog
I find a lot of posters on here, particularly noticeable from those on the political left, to be completely and utterly obsessed with the word racist. Anyone who objects to illegal immigration is obviously racist and it just goes on and on and on“.

This thread is not about illegal immigration. It is very specifically about the disgusting depiction of the former President and his wife, by the incumbent president, as apes.
Do you or do you not acknowledge that as racist?

Basgetti

Meandrogrog
I find a lot of posters on here, particularly noticeable from those on the political left, to be completely and utterly obsessed with the word racist. Anyone who objects to illegal immigration is obviously racist and it just goes on and on and on“.

This thread is not about illegal immigration. It is very specifically about the disgusting depiction of the former President and his wife, by the incumbent president, as apes.
Do you or do you not acknowledge that as racist?

I always think we do not get to see the full facts on this or any other issue that explodes on the news. My feeling is that we get “fed” and fall for what we are told without questioning the validity. None of us are privy to what the president knew or intended. Its important to try to maintain some degree of perspective and question what we are being “fed”. One example of this is the post from Whyllow3 which to me sounded more like the writers fevered imagination. I would just sound a caution not to get too indignant.

Antisemitism isn’t just considered to be racist Oreo, it is racist.

Fallingstar

Antisemitism isn’t just considered to be racist Oreo, it is racist.

As a Jew myself I know that. 😉
I was giving the poster who asked me the question the official or standard answer to it.

When people try to muddy the waters around racism it plays into the hands of those who wish a particular group of people actual harm. We are not discussing ‘whether‘ the image of the Obamas is racism because it absolutely is. And denying racism occurs or that people are overly concerned about this is a very dangerous nonsense.

Thanks for that Oreo.

Basgetti

Oreo

They just don’t see it everywhere.

They don’t see it in a mocked up photo of black people being depicted as apes? (Which is what this thread is specifically about). Wow.

The thing is you see ( or maybe don’t) that not only was Biden also depicted as an ape, the mixed race Democrat Kamala Harris was depicted as a turtle.
If this had been all about racism then she would have been depicted as an ape too, and the white Biden maybe cast as a snake or other animal.In my view it was meant to be insulting to Democrats and funny to Republicans but wasn’t about racism.The bad thing was that the President put it on his Truth Social page.