The man formerly known as Prince can fall no further....

Seems if Andrew lived in a council house he would face far less judgment

Stripped of all titles then.. what next I wonder.

Whitewave yes assumptions are being made about AMW’s alleged and known behaviour. His downfall is awful, for him, his children and the RF.

aMW had an ongoing friendship with a man convicted of sexual offences against one fourteen year old girl, but strong indications this was a pattern of behaviour by Epstein not a one off offence,

He lied about this, including in that car crash interview with Emily Maitless, which it’s said he thought went very well. He paid £12m to VG despite continuing to insist he never met her.

I’ll be astonished if AMW ever faces trial for allegedly having sexual intercourse with a trafficked vulnerable 17 year old. VG took her life last year. So far as I’m aware, none of Epstein’s other ‘masseurs’ have named AMW so how can he be tried.

Annie, Epstein’s victims are unlikely to be honoured, it’s rare for survivors to be honkurrd. More likely to be dismissed in the way VG continues to be.

Who believes Mr T will release the Epstein files . Why would he. Currently he’s sitting on information about powerful people. It can be used to his advantage.

I can't understand why people are still going on about Andrew.
He's now paying the price for all his mistakes and possible law breaking.(the lady in question wasn't actually a child) For someone brought up as a Prince and adored son of the then monarch, he can't really fall much lower.
He needs to have a roof over his head and an allowance to live on, but he couldn't have fallen much further from grace.
Do you want to see him outside Morrisons trying in vain to sell Big issue?
I think people need to concern themselves with their own lives and leave The RF to theirs.

I think because it’s the RF that it needs to be aired.

It's a shame he can still use the name Mountbatten.

Mollygo

Smileless2012

And where is the justice that everyone's clamoring for Annie?

Good question.
I haven’t read that he shouldn’t provide evidence, but to say you don’t care if Andrew is the only one to do so doesn't reflect much regard for justice for the other victims, and surely all those girls were not provided for one person.

You misunderstand my meaning.

WM has been the one identified - the question is, because he is so far the only one identified, is it unfair to him to be forced to stand trial to answer the accusations?

My question is - what fairness was there when these vulnerable young women were trafficked and abused by men who can apparently hide behind their wealth and power and never be brought to justice.

We can be pretty certain that these women are still suffering as a result of the abuse.

So as these people are identified, I would expect them to be brought to justice. I do not care that others have not yet been named, but I do care that Justice for the victims is seen to be done.

I really feel strongly about not hiding criminal acts. The victims are paramount to my mind. Surely after informing ourselves over the years about institutional abuse being hidden, sickened and disgusted us as a nation.

Covering up to my mind is a much more serious and enables the perpetrator to continue. I detest a cover up.

Youngerthanspringtime

I can't understand why people are still going on about Andrew.
He's now paying the price for all his mistakes and possible law breaking.(the lady in question wasn't actually a child) For someone brought up as a Prince and adored son of the then monarch, he can't really fall much lower.
He needs to have a roof over his head and an allowance to live on, but he couldn't have fallen much further from grace.
Do you want to see him outside Morrisons trying in vain to sell Big issue?
I think people need to concern themselves with their own lives and leave The RF to theirs.

Yes I do. We pay for them, we allow them to keep all the land and rights.

I don't know how living in Sandringham is any kind of punishment. He should be made to live in a caravan at great Yarmouth but then I'd pity the people of Great Yarmouth

No, it wouldn't be unfair for him to be charged with a criminal offence and have to stand trial WW if there's evidence to bring this about, but as things stand there isn't any as his only accuser tragically took her own life.

For those who have been identified in the Epstein files or fear they may have been, they must be delighted that Andrew is the sole focus of attention here.

I don’t misunderstand what you said WW2.

Granniesunite
Covering up to my mind is a much more serious and enables the perpetrator to continue. I detest a cover up.

The covering up that is and has been carried on in the US is appalling.

That’s why I’d like Andrew to name all those involved, regardless of their position or wealth.
That way, there will be no waiting for as these people are identified and no possibility of further cover up mentioned by Granniesunite

Agreed

Andrew’s would first have to admit to his involvement in this mollygo That might come in time.

As for the American government cover up think we’ll wait a long time. Ghislaine Maxwell is the key to all information needed and she’s not saying anything.

Have I missed the criminal trial and the outcome ? If we were all found guilty by association ( family, work colleagues etc) then how many of us would be guilty ?

Not forgetting that the Navy will strip him of his title Vice Admiral.

lizzypopbottle

Sorry if this has already been mentioned. Apparently the king is about to remove Mr Mountbatten Windsor's final title, that of Vice Admiral of the Fleet.

It’s in hand.

Not just guilt by association- so many of us have met people in the RF that we'd be all involved too!

The man lied over and over and that was his downfall. Maybe if he had admitted and regretted his involvement, as well as apologising for any hurt caused he wouldn't be quite in the pickle he is now.

kjmpde

Have I missed the criminal trial and the outcome ? If we were all found guilty by association ( family, work colleagues etc) then how many of us would be guilty ?

Well the RF seem in no doubt, but as you say there has been no trial.

Until there is or at least WM has answered questions that need to be put to him and answered, there can be no justice done.

I’m off now to prepare food for family do tonight😊

Well said, eazybee.

Granniesunite

Andrew’s would first have to admit to his involvement in this mollygo That might come in time.

Has he denied he’s ever been there?

And about time too, despite his background he is a disgusting paedophile who would have continued with the practice but then his supplier was caught, I well remember the scandals of his younger years. Spoilt brat just doesn't cover it, he should be in prison for indulging in sex with minors, supporting sex trafficking, horrific. I believe the whole story is far from told because so many high profile reprobates are repressing the details to save their own skins. Boiling in oil us too good for those men and women facilitate this heinous business. Hope he fits alone and despised. May he live long and suffer.

Can people please stop using initials, so we can all understand what is being said?!
And while I'm here, many people do not believe Virginia Giuffre killed herself. Neither do I. Why would she after all she had been through and survived?

albertina

It's a shame he can still use the name Mountbatten.

Mountbatten was named in FBI files for being homosexual and having a “perversion for young boys”
This was also known from his time in India when he had young boys brought to his room and up until his death (murder) when he was about to face the scandal of using boys from a children’s home in NI !
Not a relative to be proud of ….seems the apples don’t fall far from the tree!
These are well documented FACTS .

What do you mean by the RF seem in no doubt WW? No doubt of what?