Israel to Conquer Gaza part 2.

Israel is baddie because it’s defending itself , Hamas = goodie
for ?

Data, evidence please, Annieb of any post on this thread saying Hamas = goodie.

I have never, ever read it once in all the Gaza threads iirc.

People might express a different degree of feelings towards them, but never any support. I suppose it's in the eye of the beholder.

‘what happened on 7th October 2023 was wrong etc , but !

Of course there is a 'but' because of the subsequent situation in Gaza.

The 'but' Annieb, is, while we abhor what happened on the 7th of October and the following days, the genocide in Gaza is also abhorent. As the old folk used to say, 'two wrongs do not make a right'. The Atrocity was wrong and the Genocide is wrong. Both wrong, not one is wrong and one is right. Very simple.

Quote Maremia Tue 17-Jun-25 10:13:58
The 'but' Annieb, is, while we abhor what happened on the 7th of October and the following days, the genocide in Gaza is also abhorent. As the old folk used to say, 'two wrongs do not make a right'. The Atrocity was wrong and the Genocide is wrong. Both wrong, not one is wrong and one is right. Very simple.

Really? Why silence when there have been posts stating as fact
that Hamas invaded Israel because Netanyahu instructed all
calls for help by Israeli victims to be ignored ?

Anniebach you are adept at twisting the words of other posters to suit your own rhetoric.
Those ideas were thought about but never stated as fact.
The fact that worries many of us is that the people of Gaza are being starved and killed by the Israelis.

Quote AGAA4 Tue 17-Jun-25 10:31:55
Anniebach you are adept at twisting the words of other posters to suit your own rhetoric.
Those ideas were thought about but never stated as fact.
The fact that worries many of us is that the people of Gaza are being starved and killed by the Israelis.

They were stated as fact,

So you are, yet again, saying that the people of Gaza are not being starved and killed by Israelis. All 50.000+ of them so far. That this is 'not fact'.

And denying that the aim of Netanyahu and his Governement and supporters, is not to clear the whole land, Gaza and the West Bank, and the whole territory of all Palestinians.

This is unbearable to read, again and again. And so so wrong too.

Claremont

So you are, yet again, saying that the people of Gaza are not being starved and killed by Israelis. All 50.000+ of them so far. That this is 'not fact'.

And denying that the aim of Netanyahu and his Governement and supporters, is not to clear the whole land, Gaza and the West Bank, and the whole territory of all Palestinians.

This is unbearable to read, again and again. And so so wrong too.

So you are, yet again, saying that the people of Gaza are not being starved and killed by Israelis.

I can't find where Anniebach has actually said that, could you perhaps link to it please?

Or is twisting of words of posters only allowed one way?

I may not agree with what Anniebach says (nor others either!) but she is pointing at facts that some tend to forget.

I find such pile-ons most uncomfortable to read.

Anniebach

Quote AGAA4 Tue 17-Jun-25 10:31:55
Anniebach you are adept at twisting the words of other posters to suit your own rhetoric.
Those ideas were thought about but never stated as fact.
The fact that worries many of us is that the people of Gaza are being starved and killed by the Israelis.

They were stated as fact,

Amidst all the killings and starving imposed by the Israelis in Gaza - compassion endures.

Footage of a man sharing a small loaf of bread with his pet dog.

Footage of a donkey collapsed through starvation, with a distraught little boy trying to comfort his donkey.

Footage of a ceremony honouring their donkeys in Gaza and the donkeys endurance and help through the past couple of years.

Footage of a child crying begging for food.

Footage of another child quietly eating a piece of bread.

Report of 45 starving people in a queue for aid being killed.

I'm not disputing it.
The post you quote is difficult to follow.

I am just saying that, if Annirbach twists posters' words, as claimed, she is most certainly not the only one!

Why do posters not stick to the subject instead of attacking other posters?
It's distracting.

There is no denying that the people of Gaza are suffering from lack of food and basic necessities.

There is also no doubt that Hamas chose to protect their operatives over and above the population that elected them.

Yes Israel has the Iron Dome to protect their operatives country and many of the population have safe rooms and shelters, why? Because Israel is surrounded by countries hiding and in some cases abetting terrorist organisations whose sole aim is to wipe Israel and all Jews off of the planet.

Enough is enough regarding Gaza, aid should be allowed in freely along with the worlds press and humanitarian agencies.

Regarding Iran, they sponsor Hezbollah who are one of the terrorist organisations attempting to wipe out Israeli and Israelis. Imagine the scenario Iran has nuclear weapons, gifts them to Hezbollah, do you really think they wouldn’t use them against Israel?

Iran is an unstable country, with radical leadership, they must be stopped from being a nuclear state. Despite years of negotiations have they let outside agencies access to all areas? Have they stopped their nuclear programs?

Regarding Iran and transparency regarding their nuclear programme.

Two things..

Iran has been inspected every year by the inspectorate based in America and been given a clean bill of health, except a couple of weeks ago there was a report that was not happy.

When was the last time Israel was inspected?

Yes GG 13, 'enough is enough regarding Gaza, aid should be allowed in freely, along with the word's press and humanitarian agencies'

Good point WW2, I have no idea if that has ever happened with regards to Israel's potential stockpile.

Whitewavemark2

Regarding Iran and transparency regarding their nuclear programme.

Two things..

Iran has been inspected every year by the inspectorate based in America and been given a clean bill of health, except a couple of weeks ago there was a report that was not happy.

When was the last time Israel was inspected?

I have no idea when Israel was last inspected.

Nor have I any idea when USA, UK, France, Russia or India had their nuclear assets inspected by independent agencies.

GrannyGravy13 Tue 17-Jun-25 11:26:43

Very good points, GrannyGravy.

Yes, let aid in, let the hostages out.

As Director General of the International Atomic Energy Agency, and consistent with the objectives of the IAEA under the IAEA Statute, I call on all parties to exercise maximum restraint to avoid further escalation. I reiterate that any military action that jeopardizes the safety and security of nuclear facilities risks grave consequences for the people of Iran, the region, and beyond.

www.iaea.org/newscenter/statements/director-general-grossis-statement-to-unsc-on-situation-in-iran-13-june-2025

Chernobyl was an accident (probably) but its effects were far-reaching.

Quote Whitewavemark2 Tue 17-Jun-25 11:32:27
Regarding Iran and transparency regarding their nuclear programme.

Two things..

Iran has been inspected every year by the inspectorate based in America and been given a clean bill of health, except a couple of weeks ago there was a report that was not happy.

When was the last time Israel was inspected?

A couple of weeks ago there was a report that was not happy ?
Coincidence that Israel moved to defend itself?

Allira many if us have been accused of being pro Hamas and anti Jewish over these threads. It does become wearing and can test anyone's patience.

Hamas holds the hostages, Israelis want hostages return,
release the hostages surely?

Both sides are intransigent and at an impasse.

Strange how everything has worsened since a chaotic POTUS is in power.
And I ask again - what is the point of the United Nations? Really??