Asylum seekers unhappy at Stratford- upon- Avon Hotel

icanhandthemback

When my British born cousin fled an abusive and coercive marriage in the US and came home with her 4 children, she also had to stay in a hotel for months and months before she was rehoused. She wasn't overly happy but she was relieved that she had a roof over her head, a school for the children and was safe. If your alternative is being shot at, being bombed, being executed for having the wrong sexuality or other such awful, I would think that being safe would be your first priority. However, I do think it is incumbent on us to speed up the system because living in cramped conditions isn't easy when you are in the best of mental health.

Yes, the system needs to be speeded up for everyone's sake.

Genuine refugees need to be helped into building a new life. Fleeing in fear of your life must be awful.

Those that aren't genuine refugees need to be sent back - we can't really accommodate economic migrants.

But, unfortunately, the Home Office seem to work at a snail's pace.🙄

Its modern day slavery big money is being made somewhere

Forsythia

I know nothing about Michelle Mone. I’d wait until a true and honest picture emerges. I would take anything you say as gospel.

How many ex servicemen and homeless do you house Volver? Let’s hear it.

Here's some information about Mone and PPE

news.sky.com/story/michelle-mone-who-is-she-and-what-is-the-ppe-controversy-swirling-around-the-tory-peer-12762756

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/dec/09/revealed-the-full-inside-story-of-the-michelle-mone-ppe-scandal

To all those who want to send everyone back I would rather see 10 economic migrants temporarily able to enter the country than see one family escaping from a war zone, one woman fleeing persecution and rape, or one orphaned child trying to find family, refused asylum.
There is a house near me where the Kinder transport children stayed, and another which housed children fleeing the war in Spain. We had principles then.

Well, it's that never ending conflict. Everywhere, people are moaning about the amount of taxes we are now paying (highest rates since the 1950's, I think), coupled with the rocketing cost of living.

In order to put money into building much more social housing, or pay more in Housing benefit for overpriced private rentals, we would need to raise taxes still further

This is where I really wish that I could convince more people of the fact that taxes don't fund government spending; that the government spends first, then taxes back the money it has spent. That the government creates its own money and the effective limit to creating money is a lack of resources to spend it on.

Then we could turn this whole scenario on its head and instead of believing that tax has to be taken before anything can be 'bought' (e.g house building) we could be happy about a government that proposed to spend on projects to improve life for everyone in our society. This would not only boost the economy by boosting jobs, wages and all the private companies that supply goods and services to state enterprises, but it would also increase the tax take because there would be more money in the economy to tax back.. Without having to raise tax rates at all...

There was billions wasted during the pandemic, but that money has gone - it will never come back.

There certainly was £billions wasted. It won't come back because it's gone into the pockets of people like the lovely Baroness Mone who having landed us with huge quantities of over priced and useless PPE carefully stashed her 'cut' away where the tax man can't get at it...

But the £billions created by the government for financing the pandemic is proof in full sight that governments don't need to tax before they can spend... (and it isn't 'owed' to anyone, either)

Glorianny but it's just young men coming now

Biscuitmuncher

Glorianny but it's just young men coming now

It's not though

I thought of linking to the stats, but what's the point? You'll just ignore them.

volver3 it's funny how my daughters haven't been followed and harrassed by refugee families

Just because they are young men does not mean they are economic migrants. When there is a war it is the young men that are forced to fight and be killed, often for a cause they do not agree with. So yes it is quite reasonable for them to be fleeing the country quick before they are rounded up to fight.

....from which you conclude its only men coming now. There's the reasoning power of your average anti-immigrant person right there....

What stats Volver? The stats I've seen say 80 to 90% of asylum seekers are young males. I am not against genuine asylum seekers by the way but I do think it's complicated subject and I understand that people have genuine concerns

MayBee70

They’re not looking for an easier life unless you count not being threatened by war an easy life. They want to work and we have this workforce unable to do so because of the inefficiency of the government departments responsible for processing them. It’s also the fault of the government that there isn’t enough housing for people or that there are unscrupulous landlords making people live in unhealthy conditions. I rather suspect that the government put them in hotels in very prominent places because it makes it easier for them to make scapegoats out of them. Turkey have taken in nearly 4 million refugees in the time that we’ve taken in 54,000. Yes, there is a problem but nowhere near the problem that it’s being made out to be because this government are using these people as scapegoats. Covid,asylum seekers, Ukraine, they’re all a smokescreen for years of mismanagement by successive governments that only care for one thing and that’s being in power for the sake of it.

So it’s the governments fault if someone buys 3 council houses and converts them into 6 rooms with one tiny shower room with loo and charges nearly £1000 each per month. I wonder why the landlord didn’t want to be interviewed!.

“What’s gone wrong with our housing”.
Panorama tonight BBC 1 at 8pm.

It is disgusting, Nightsky2, and gives landlords a bad name. I get so furious with this sort of thing because as a Landlady, I only charge the LA rate which is way below the market rate and I will still do what I can to help our tenants. Due to the way the house is wired, only one person gets the energy payment, so I offset another lot of energy payment against their bill so they wouldn't lose out. I am looking at smart metres for each tenant so they can save money that way. I feel we have an obligation to be as fair as we possibly can be and, as such, our tenants appreciate us so look after their living accommodation.

So which party decided it was a good idea to sell council houses and not replace them with more council houses?

anna7

What stats Volver? The stats I've seen say 80 to 90% of asylum seekers are young males. I am not against genuine asylum seekers by the way but I do think it's complicated subject and I understand that people have genuine concerns

Looking forward to seeing the stats V3.

I have no problem with economic migrants. We need more workers of all kinds and flying them to Rwanda is barmy. Asylum seekers for whatever reason should be permitted to work. If they demonstrate the ability to get to the UK despite all the obstacles they are likely to prove valuable citizens (unlike some Tory MPs recently in the news).

So it’s ok for people to come here to earn more money but not escape being blown up or executed for being gay or forced to join ISIS etc?

anna7

What stats Volver? The stats I've seen say 80 to 90% of asylum seekers are young males. I am not against genuine asylum seekers by the way but I do think it's complicated subject and I understand that people have genuine concerns

So, who is best fitted to make what can be a very dangerous journey of perhaps 1,000s of miles, not to ,mention probably being in more danger in their native country, a fit young man, a woman with young children, or an elderly man or woman? And which of these is the most likely to eventually get a job to enable them to find a home and bring over their family?

It's pretty obvious, isn't it, why they are predominantly young men?

MaizieD

anna7

What stats Volver? The stats I've seen say 80 to 90% of asylum seekers are young males. I am not against genuine asylum seekers by the way but I do think it's complicated subject and I understand that people have genuine concerns

So, who is best fitted to make what can be a very dangerous journey of perhaps 1,000s of miles, not to ,mention probably being in more danger in their native country, a fit young man, a woman with young children, or an elderly man or woman? And which of these is the most likely to eventually get a job to enable them to find a home and bring over their family?

It's pretty obvious, isn't it, why they are predominantly young men?

Thanks MaizieD, I was about to make the same comments but instead I’ll support yours. I wonder if those ‘sone posters’ might accuse us of being a clique, or worse.
I’d like to stress I don’t ‘know’ `MaizieD but I fully support these comments

In an art gallery in Berlin a couple of years ago, before the expansion of boat people attempting to find safety. One refugee from Syria had charted his journey as a piece of art. He was 17 when his extended family invested all their money in him. The aim was for him to reach the UK where they have settled relatives. Once established, he’d apply for his parents/siblings to join him. The story of fear, terror, exploitation, set backs and determination was extremely moving.

The reason you see more men in these hotels is because the women and children are housed quickly and their checks are done quicker. The men have always been processed more slowly.

Glorianny
the war in Spain
Did you know the charity, Plan was set up because of those children.

Yes my grandson working 6 days a week would like a home too.

Of course I understand why it is predominantly young men that seek asylum. That it not what Volver said.

**08volver3

Biscuitmuncher

Glorianny but it's just young men coming now

It's not though

I thought of linking to the stats, but what's the point? You'll just ignore them.

anna7

What stats Volver? The stats I've seen say 80 to 90% of asylum seekers are young males. I am not against genuine asylum seekers by the way but I do think it's complicated subject and I understand that people have genuine concerns

I think we have to acknowledge that there is a problem. But what is wrong is the way that the government are trying to make the problem sound worse than it is and use it as a reason why the country is in such a mess both socially and economically. The reason for that being that it has been badly run for the past decade or so.

MayBee70

anna7

What stats Volver? The stats I've seen say 80 to 90% of asylum seekers are young males. I am not against genuine asylum seekers by the way but I do think it's complicated subject and I understand that people have genuine concerns

I think we have to acknowledge that there is a problem. But what is wrong is the way that the government are trying to make the problem sound worse than it is and use it as a reason why the country is in such a mess both socially and economically. The reason for that being that it has been badly run for the past decade or so.

Most of us would say £6m a day was a problem that needed addressing.